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Post by HURLOCK on Aug 7, 2007 15:13:59 GMT -1
Oh right, because it's OK we'll put up with it!
Words fail me who fucking stupid that comment is, well you can stick red Ken up your arse and have round for tea.
Funny thing is you say Boris is a failed politician, no mre than Ken is.
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Post by jh1980 on Aug 7, 2007 15:18:22 GMT -1
Oh right, because it's OK we'll put up with it! Words fail me who fucking stupid that comment is, well you can stick red Ken up your arse and have round for tea. Funny thing is you say Boris is a failed politician, no mre than Ken is. Woah! Chill Hurls, Chill!  ;D It's a lot better than it was, is the point, and much as people don't seem to like the congestion charge, it has made an impact, it's not just a cash cow (as some people like to make out). Meanwhile if anyone wants to pin the Metronet thing on him don't forget the PPP was FORCED upon Ken by the lot in Westminster, he doesn't favour blowing taxpayers money on bankrolling unaccountable private companies, that's (sadly) Gordy... I'm not saying Boris is a failure, but it is funny how candidates for London Mayor usually are Cabinet/Shadow Cabinet drop-outs - and that goes for the Labour side too. |
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Post by HURLOCK on Aug 7, 2007 15:25:58 GMT -1
Well when someone behaves like a moran they need telling.
As with lots of Kens motions the congestion charge is flawed, the pilot was carried out when the traffic management system was being looked at in London so they based the stats on that. But following the report the traffic lights where re-programmed. Was another pilot carried out no!
The man just courts contraversy wherever he goes, and would not have been elected in the first place had Archer not been busted
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Post by jh1980 on Aug 7, 2007 15:30:55 GMT -1
Well when someone behaves like a moran they need telling. As with lots of Kens motions the congestion charge is flawed, the pilot was carried out when the traffic management system was being looked at in London so they based the stats on that. But following the report the traffic lights where re-programmed. Was another pilot carried out no! The man just courts contraversy wherever he goes, and would not have been elected in the first place had Archer not been busted Aww, sorry Dad...   This I did not know, that's interesting. It still has had a positive impact on congestion though, I believe... presumably not so much on the exempted routes like Park Lane, perhaps... Oh sure, don't deny the controversy, he probably needs to watch his mouth - though I think the fact he doesn't makes him seem more of a normal person, instead of a glossy politico. Hope you aren't suggesting Lord Fraud would have been a better Mayor there are you?! |
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Post by The Lucky C on Aug 7, 2007 15:40:19 GMT -1
I apologise if my comment caused offence Hurls, but I believe that the transport system in London - and the congestion charge - are the best ways possible of managing the situation. And I've argued this with so many people who behaved in the way I described. I remember the sun launched a massive diatribe against the congestion charge, without offering up a single suggestion on how to make things better instead. Interestingly, Murdoch is known to be in favour of tax-cuts, so how Ken was meant to win on that one I'll never know. Must admit though, I didn't know about the pilot scheme.
And I've never described Boris as a failed politician. I've said many things against him, but I've not called him a failed politician.
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Post by HURLOCK on Aug 7, 2007 15:43:30 GMT -1
Archer is dishonest and more than you'll ever know, however he is a good statesman
Livingstone just makes me angry because thoughout his career he has gone out of his way to infuriate people, when to me thats not positive. Concentrate your efforts on what matters, not:
1. Posting a billboard of London's rising unemployment figures on the roof of County Hall, the GLC headquarters, directly across the Thames from the Palace of Westminster.
2. Extending an official invitation to Sinn Féin leaders Gerry Adams and Danny Morrison.
3. Calling Sharon a war criminal
4. Insulting the Jewish nation, and then a reporter
The list is massive, whats Boris done except a few harmless faux pas's. I just think Ken is dangerous and not good for London
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Post by HURLOCK on Aug 7, 2007 15:46:54 GMT -1
I apologise if my comment caused offence Hurls, but I believe that the transport system in London - and the congestion charge - are the best ways possible of managing the situation. And I've argued this with so many people who behaved in the way I described. I remember the sun launched a massive diatribe against the congestion charge, without offering up a single suggestion on how to make things better instead. Interestingly, Murdoch is known to be in favour of tax-cuts, so how Ken was meant to win on that one I'll never know. Must admit though, I didn't know about the pilot scheme. And I've never described Boris as a failed politician. I've said many things against him, but I've not called him a failed politician. No worries mate The point of the charge was to free up London, it hasn't really. And the ones who really suffer are the ones who need to drive in and out. Also the way it's collected is bang out of order. I do concede that if managed properly then it is a good thing, however it has yet to even break even |
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Post by jh1980 on Aug 7, 2007 15:50:49 GMT -1
Archer is dishonest and more than you'll ever know, however he is a good statesman Livingstone just makes me angry because thoughout his career he has gone out of his way to infuriate people, when to me thats not positive. Concentrate your efforts on what matters, not: 1. Posting a billboard of London's rising unemployment figures on the roof of County Hall, the GLC headquarters, directly across the Thames from the Palace of Westminster. 2. Extending an official invitation to Sinn Féin leaders Gerry Adams and Danny Morrison. 3. Calling Sharon a war criminal 4. Insulting the Jewish nation, and then a reporter The list is massive, whats Boris done except a few harmless faux pas's. I just think Ken is dangerous and not good for London *inhales sharply* ok if you like. Can see that! Bit of a "wrecker" do you think?! Hmmm... 1) I approved of that, good way to make his point. 2) I'm guessing this was when they were still "enemies of the state"   3) Well, I'm not saying I agree with that, but there's an argument for it, even if he shouldn't have been using his official position to make that argument. 4) I know about the reporter, what was the general insult about? I am confident that Boris is not one bit "less prejudiced" or more likely to keep his mouth shut when he ought to! Ken hasn't exactly harmed London with his official mayoral activities. But y'know, we can agree to disagree, that's allowed! |
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Post by HURLOCK on Aug 7, 2007 15:57:47 GMT -1
Well we beg to differ and we'll have to get together soon as I do enjoy debating with you, but most of Ken actions are for his own agenda. Really he should think about the impact of what he says. You'll be shocked that I admire Tony Ben, I may not agree with what he says but he carries it off without causing offence. www.themiddleeastnow.com/livingstone |
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Post by The Lucky C on Aug 7, 2007 16:03:20 GMT -1
Archer is dishonest and more than you'll ever know, however he is a good statesman Livingstone just makes me angry because thoughout his career he has gone out of his way to infuriate people, when to me thats not positive. Concentrate your efforts on what matters, not: 1. Posting a billboard of London's rising unemployment figures on the roof of County Hall, the GLC headquarters, directly across the Thames from the Palace of Westminster. 2. Extending an official invitation to Sinn Féin leaders Gerry Adams and Danny Morrison. 3. Calling Sharon a war criminal 4. Insulting the Jewish nation, and then a reporter The list is massive, whats Boris done except a few harmless faux pas's. I just think Ken is dangerous and not good for London The billboard was in response to the Tories refusing to admit or take much notice of the climbing unemployment figures. Can't defend the IRA invite, particularly at that time. Sharon has done a lot of morally shitty things over the years, including actions designed to piss off and antagonise Palestinians, which led to the first Infitada. He (and his predeccesor) also blocked Clinton's peace processes, despite Yassar Arafat's approval on the scheme which would have meant the minimum of concessions to the Israelis. It's an open debate as to whether he could be considered a war criminal, but what cannot be denied is that he made life a hell of a lot worse for ordinary Palestinians (yes, I know it goes both ways, and that the Palestinians are far from blameless themselves). Oliver Finegold (the Evening Standard reporter) had been harrasing Ken for quite some time, criticising him constantly in that rag, before things came to a head. Livingstone didn't know he was Jewish when the comments were made. Although I have to admit it was bad taste not to apologise for the remarks once it became obvious he was Jewish, I can understand him not wanting to speak to anyone from the Daily Mail group. Particularly Finegold. As for "what's Boris done?"... 1) Using racist language in his publications and columns for the Telegraph (whilst racist crimes have dropped by 35% as a result of Livingstone's policies) 2) Insulting the cities of Liverpool and Portsmouth 3) Gross insensertivity over death of Ken Bigley 4) Referring to the people of Papua New Guinea as a bunch of cannibals 5) A record in the house of commons against Gay and Lesbian equality measures (which, by the way, Livingstone set in motion) And all these without having a particularly strong position of power! |
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Post by jh1980 on Aug 7, 2007 16:05:17 GMT -1
Well we beg to differ and we'll have to get together soon as I do enjoy debating with you, but most of Ken actions are for his own agenda. Really he should think about the impact of what he says. You'll be shocked that I admire Tony Ben, I may not agree with what he says but he carries it off without causing offence. www.themiddleeastnow.com/livingstoneIndeed, well I say this to Arnie as well, shouldn't be too difficult in theory if we just set a date. Oh and I think Cav wants to meet me after work sometime, dunno whether that would work out if we all headed somewhere central again? I'm not so good debating in the flesh though as you know, I forget my points lol! Shocked but pleased!  Ah, umm, that stuff ain't good. There is a bit of a closet streak of anti-Israeli feeling among quite a lot of the British left unfortunately, it sits uncomfortably with me... Some things are justified, others considerably less so... Gotta head though... catch you later |
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Post by The Lucky C on Aug 7, 2007 16:10:23 GMT -1
Well we beg to differ and we'll have to get together soon as I do enjoy debating with you, but most of Ken actions are for his own agenda. Really he should think about the impact of what he says. You'll be shocked that I admire Tony Ben, I may not agree with what he says but he carries it off without causing offence. www.themiddleeastnow.com/livingstoneIndeed, well I say this to Arnie as well, shouldn't be too difficult in theory if we just set a date. Oh and I think Cav wants to meet me after work sometime, dunno whether that would work out if we all headed somewhere central again? I'm not so good debating in the flesh though as you know, I forget my points lol! Shocked but pleased! Ah, umm, that stuff ain't good. There is a bit of a closet streak of anti-Israeli feeling among quite a lot of the British left unfortunately, it sits uncomfortably with me... Some things are justified, others considerably less so... Gotta head though... catch you later Have to admit, I've noticed the anti-Israeli streak as well, I do find the pro-Palestinian bias very disturbing. Particularly when people I'm arguing alongside shout slogans such as "Victory to the Infitada". Neither side is blameless in the mess, end of the day there's a lot of ordinary people on both sides who just want peace instead of political point-scoring through bloodshed. And it's with them that my sympathy lies. |
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