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Post by Mrs H on Jul 10, 2007 11:32:06 GMT -1
God I'm in an argumentative mood today. Me and Cav had a right argument about that War British Jews documentary that was on last night. It descended into a right old rant about the evils of organised religion. It winds me right up! Was that any good? I considered watching it until I saw two horrific words - Richard. Littlejohn. It was a bit tabliody but I would expect nothing more from Littlejohn. It was interesting to see the backlash there is from a lot of different angles against the Jewish community. I think the main thing that came out of it was it wasn't really justfied because all Jews are blamed for what's happening in Israel but you could say that about ALL Muslims being blamed for extremist attacks.
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Post by Mrs H on Jul 10, 2007 11:35:17 GMT -1
In all fairness I'd feel like if the law wasn't my employer. It really gets on my tits when something is always someone else's fault. People never take responsibility for their own actions. I do agree with you, it's just interesting to see where everyones lines in the sand are. I read an interesting piece about violence in society, extending from a feeling of hyper-self. A sense that while a person feels everyone else should follow the rules, that they as an invidual feel that they're somehow above rules. This also extend into areas like respect for other, where people believe they should receive respect instantly from other, but are dismissive and disrespectful of others ............. well I'm rambling but it was interesting!! God I'm in an argumentative mood today. Me and Cav had a right argument about that War British Jews documentary that was on last night. It descended into a right old rant about the evils of organised religion. It winds me right up! You should be careful you'll end up being canterkerous and upperty, like me!! The occasional rant however is good for the soul!! ;D I think the last thing I saw that genuinely scared me and got me ranting, was the documentary (Panorama, I think??) I saw about Scientology .......... it's truely frightning stuff!! I saw that. If I'd have been the journalist I think I would have reacted the same. Scientology nothing more than a cult to relieve you of your money. If you can start a religion based on a Sci-Fi book then I'm going to start a religion based on the teaching of Spot the Dog.
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Post by The Lucky C on Jul 10, 2007 11:37:14 GMT -1
I do agree with you, it's just interesting to see where everyones lines in the sand are. I read an interesting piece about violence in society, extending from a feeling of hyper-self. A sense that while a person feels everyone else should follow the rules, that they as an invidual feel that they're somehow above rules. This also extend into areas like respect for other, where people believe they should receive respect instantly from other, but are dismissive and disrespectful of others ............. well I'm rambling but it was interesting!! You should be careful you'll end up being canterkerous and upperty, like me!! The occasional rant however is good for the soul!! ;D I think the last thing I saw that genuinely scared me and got me ranting, was the documentary (Panorama, I think??) I saw about Scientology .......... it's truely frightning stuff!! I saw that. If I'd have been the journalist I think I would have reacted the same. Scientology nothing more than a cult to relieve you of your money. If you can start a religion based on a Sci-Fi book then I'm going to start a religion based on the teaching of Spot the Dog. I loved that Panorama! People getting angry at Scientologists? Made my day!
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Post by Mrs H on Jul 10, 2007 11:39:55 GMT -1
I saw that. If I'd have been the journalist I think I would have reacted the same. Scientology nothing more than a cult to relieve you of your money. If you can start a religion based on a Sci-Fi book then I'm going to start a religion based on the teaching of Spot the Dog. I loved that Panorama! People getting angry at Scientologists? Made my day! Lol if only it had been Mr Cruise ;D
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Post by addicted2venos on Jul 10, 2007 11:44:04 GMT -1
I saw that. If I'd have been the journalist I think I would have reacted the same. Scientology nothing more than a cult to relieve you of your money. If you can start a religion based on a Sci-Fi book then I'm going to start a religion based on the teaching of Spot the Dog. It was the bit where they'd invited the journo to their exhibition, which basically claimed that the field of psychology/psychiatry was responsible for the holocaust. It's the biggest load of twisted shite ever ........... but as with must zealots, the ferver with which they believe is the most terrifying part!! ........ I think that last statement makes me 'fair-game'!!
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Post by Mrs H on Jul 10, 2007 11:47:19 GMT -1
I saw that. If I'd have been the journalist I think I would have reacted the same. Scientology nothing more than a cult to relieve you of your money. If you can start a religion based on a Sci-Fi book then I'm going to start a religion based on the teaching of Spot the Dog. It was the bit where they'd invited the journo to their exhibition, which basically claimed that the field of psychology/psychiatry was responsible for the holocaust. It's the biggest load of twisted shite ever ........... but as with must zealots, the ferver with which they believe is the most terrifying part!! ........ I think that last statement makes me 'fair-game'!! I think what scares me more how susceptible people are in believing this clap trap. Are people around the world so desperate be part of something that they're willing to for go all judgment and reason??
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jul 10, 2007 11:47:55 GMT -1
I saw that. If I'd have been the journalist I think I would have reacted the same. Scientology nothing more than a cult to relieve you of your money. If you can start a religion based on a Sci-Fi book then I'm going to start a religion based on the teaching of Spot the Dog. It was the bit where they'd invited the journo to their exhibition, which basically claimed that the field of psychology/psychiatry was responsible for the holocaust. It's the biggest load of twisted shite ever ........... but as with must zealots, the ferver with which they believe is the most terrifying part!! ........ I think that last statement makes me 'fair-game'!! It's amazing what a bit of brainwashing can achieve really, isn't it? At least things like the Bible, Qu'ran etc claim they're the real deal - basing a religion on a self-professed fictional piece of work is just... yeah Kaballah's just as bad really
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Post by addicted2venos on Jul 10, 2007 11:48:38 GMT -1
I loved that Panorama! People getting angry at Scientologists? Made my day! .... but that was the thing with it. The journalist involved seemed such a calm and rational man. However by constantly ramping up the psychological pressure on him everytime they met, the scientologist made him just lose it. From there it's a fairly short trip to brain-washing people!!
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Post by The Lucky C on Jul 10, 2007 11:52:06 GMT -1
I loved that Panorama! People getting angry at Scientologists? Made my day! .... but that was the thing with it. The journalist involved seemed such a calm and rational man. However by constantly ramping up the psychological pressure on him everytime they met, the scientologist made him just lose it. From there it's a fairly short trip to brain-washing people!! I'm just not sure how the scientologist bloke could claim that coming unannounced to the hotel that he'd not even been told about could qualify as reasonable and rational behavoiur
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Post by addicted2venos on Jul 10, 2007 11:52:10 GMT -1
It was the bit where they'd invited the journo to their exhibition, which basically claimed that the field of psychology/psychiatry was responsible for the holocaust. It's the biggest load of twisted shite ever ........... but as with must zealots, the ferver with which they believe is the most terrifying part!! ........ I think that last statement makes me 'fair-game'!! It's amazing what a bit of brainwashing can achieve really, isn't it? At least things like the Bible, Qu'ran etc claim they're the real deal - basing a religion on a self-professed fictional piece of work is just... yeah Kaballah's just as bad really I used to have the famous L Ron Hubbard quote as my signature, which goes ......... 'if a man wanted to be rich, he wouldn't write Science Fiction book for 1 cent a word. He'd start his own religion' Which of course he said shortly before quitting writing sci-fi books, and starting his own religion!!
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Post by addicted2venos on Jul 10, 2007 11:57:59 GMT -1
I'm just not sure how the scientologist bloke could claim that coming unannounced to the hotel that he'd not even been told about could qualify as reasonable and rational behavoiur That what I'm saying the scientologist bloke wasn't reasonable and rational. But all his actions were designed to disrupt and discredit the reporter and the people who spoke out against Scientology. The reason Scientologists hate the field of psychology so much, is that many of their techniques for manipulting people are crude but effective methods used by psychologists in days gone by!!
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jul 10, 2007 12:52:06 GMT -1
Wanna talk about not reasonable and rational? Check out one of their doctrines (one that you only get tauight after paying a shitload, by the way - praise the internet for free access! ) The story of Xenu is covered in OT III, part of Scientology's secret "Advanced Technology" doctrines taught only to advanced members. It is described in more detail in the accompanying confidential "Assists" lecture of 3 October 1968 and is dramatized in Revolt in the Stars (an unpublished screenplay written by L Ron Hubbard during the late 1970s). Direct quotations in this section are from these sources.
Seventy-five million years ago, Xenu was the ruler of a Galactic Confederacy which consisted of 26 stars and 76 planets including Earth, which was then known as Teegeeack. The planets were overpopulated, each having an average population of 178 billion. The Galactic Confederacy's civilization was comparable to our own, with aliens "walking around in clothes which looked very remarkably like the clothes they wear this very minute" and using cars, trains and boats looking exactly the same as those "circa 1950, 1960" on Earth.
Xenu was about to be deposed from power, so he devised a plot to eliminate the excess population from his dominions. With the assistance of "renegades", he defeated the populace and the "Loyal Officers", a force for good that was opposed to Xenu. Then, with the assistance of psychiatrists, he summoned billions of his citizens together to paralyze them with injections of alcohol and glycol, under the pretense that they were being called for "income tax inspections". The kidnapped populace was loaded into space crafts for transport to the site of extermination, the planet of Teegeeack (Earth). The space craft were identical to the Douglas DC-8 with the exception of having different engines.
When they had reached Teegeeack/Earth, the paralyzed citizens were unloaded around the bases of volcanoes across the planet. Hydrogen bombs were then lowered into the volcanoes and detonated simultaneously. Only a few alien's physical bodies survived. Hubbard described the scene in his film script, Revolt in the Stars:
"Simultaneously, the planted charges erupted. Atomic blasts ballooned from the craters of Loa, Vesuvius, Shasta, Washington, Fujiyama, Etna, and many, many others. Arching higher and higher, up and outwards, towering clouds mushroomed, shot through with flashes of flame, waste and fission. Great winds raced tumultuously across the face of Earth, spreading tales of destruction. Debris-studded, and sickly yellow, the atomic clouds followed close on the heels of the winds. Their bow-shaped fronts encroached inexorably upon forest, city and mankind, they delivered their gifts of death and radiation. A skyscraper, tall and arrow-straight, bent over to form a question mark to the very idea of humanity before crumbling into the screaming city below..."
The now-disembodied victims' souls, which Hubbard called thetans, were blown into the air by the blast. They were captured by Xenu's forces using an "electronic ribbon" ("which also was a type of standing wave") and sucked into "vacuum zones" around the world. The hundreds of billions of captured thetans were taken to a type of cinema, where they were forced to watch a "three-D, super colossal motion picture" for thirty-six days. This implanted what Hubbard termed "various misleading data"' (collectively termed the R6 implant) into the memories of the hapless thetans, "which has to do with God, the Devil, space opera, et cetera". This included all world religions, with Hubbard specifically attributing Roman Catholicism and the image of the Crucifixion to the influence of Xenu. The interior decoration of "all modern theaters" is also said by Hubbard to be due to an unconscious recollection of Xenu's implants. The two "implant stations" cited by Hubbard were said to have been located on Hawaii and Las Palmas in the Canary Islands.
In addition to implanting new beliefs in the thetans, the images deprived them of their sense of personal identity. When the thetans left the projection areas, they started to cluster together in groups of a few thousand, having lost the ability to differentiate between each other. Each cluster of thetans gathered into one of the few remaining bodies that survived the explosion. These became what are known as body thetans, which are said to be still clinging to and adversely affecting everyone except those Scientologists who have performed the necessary steps to remove them.
The Loyal Officers finally overthrew Xenu and locked him away in a mountain, where he was imprisoned forever by a force field powered by an eternal battery (Some have suggested that Xenu is imprisoned on Earth in the Pyrenees, but Hubbard merely refers to "one of these planets" (of the Galactic Confederacy). He does, however, refer to the Pyrenees as being the site of the last operating "Martian report station", which is probably the source of this particular confusion. Teegeeack/Earth was subsequently abandoned by the Galactic Confederacy and remains a pariah "prison planet" to this day, although it has suffered repeatedly from incursions by alien "Invader Forces" since that time.A further footnote; Within Scientology, the Xenu story is referred to as "The Wall of Fire" or "Incident II". Hubbard attached tremendous importance to it, saying that it constituted "the secrets of a disaster which resulted in the decay of life as we know it in this sector of the galaxy". The broad outlines of the story — that 75 million years ago a great catastrophe happened in this sector of the galaxy which caused profoundly negative effects for everyone since then — are publicly admitted to lower-level Scientologists. However, the details are kept strictly confidential, at least within the Church. Hubbard said that he was the first to map a precise route through the Wall of Fire, "probably the only one ever to do so in 75,000,000 years". Good god, it's almost tragic that people swallow this crap Intergalactic space federations, hydrogen bombs, prison planets, spacecraft reminsicent of terrestrial aeroplanes, extra-terrestrial clothing and vehicles almost identical to what we have today (at the time of writing), a collossal cinema, and only one man to realise it in 75 million years? Give me strength
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Post by Mrs H on Jul 10, 2007 13:35:37 GMT -1
Dear God that's not even a very good screenplay never mid the whole basis for a religion!!!
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jul 10, 2007 13:38:04 GMT -1
Dear God that's not even a very good screenplay never mid the whole basis for a religion!!! You can tell he was a sci-fi writer, can't you? I think the 'quality' of that indicates why he had to resort to religion to get rich! ;D
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Jul 10, 2007 13:38:47 GMT -1
this "Eternal Battery".........is it a Duracell ;D
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Post by Mrs H on Jul 10, 2007 13:39:51 GMT -1
Dear God that's not even a very good screenplay never mid the whole basis for a religion!!! You can tell he was a sci-fi writer, can't you? I think the 'quality' of that indicates why he had to resort to religion to get rich! ;D The epitome of the American Dream.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jul 10, 2007 13:42:26 GMT -1
I'd better just watch out they don't declare me "fair game" for sharing their texts
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