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Post by Giar on Feb 8, 2007 7:44:29 GMT -1
that was one of the most boring and tepid displays of football i have seen for years.........and thats bad because i have seen WHU play i hate to admit it, but even though it was only for about 20 seconds i actually nodded off whilst sat in the pub with my mates we lacked any movement, attacking ideas and im still flabbergasted as to why even after 90 odd Min's of just trying to hit the ball up there to crouch for him to repeatedly be dominated in the air by a player who was close to a foot shorter than him. the guy is a fucking useless piece of shit that is having a more detrimental effect on our national game than either Sven or mclaren have had!!!!!!!!! since he has become an almost permanent fixture in the team (for reasons im still baffled by ) we have stopped using any diversity in our attacks, Everything just goes up in the air when i would much rather see us using the vast amount of pace and skill we have by playing the balls through the channels or down the wings for the likes of Defo, SWP, Lennon, Joe C to run onto. i dont mind the odd ball getting chucked in there just to mix it up a bit, but not all of them. next up in my rant is Gerrard (who when playing in an england shirt instead of a Liverpool one, just doesn't ever seem to show the grit and determination that has made him into one of the best mid field players in the country if not the world) and lampard (who just looks average in an england shirt too) they CANNOT play on the same pitch together!!!!!!!!! god knows its been tried enough times, please you ginger twat locate those 2 hairy little hanging thins that should be some place near that freckly little thing you call a cock, and drop one of them to the bench, at least we would finally have some class coming off the bench if things aren't going to plan instead of leaving yourself high and dry with mediocre players like Barton and Barry. and finally, just actually play some 1/2 decent left sided players on the left........mad idea i know, but at least we would have another option of attack i mean really Phil Nevil anyways rant over
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Post by C@V on Feb 8, 2007 8:01:52 GMT -1
Mate we have to face facts. England field 11 individuals, we're a million miles away from being a team!
Seriously I reckon if that team had played Reading last night Reading would have have won 2-0 or 3-0!
The management structure of England from Maclaren upwards to the grey suits in the FA, have not got a clue.
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Post by Giar on Feb 8, 2007 8:13:41 GMT -1
it would have been alot more than 2 or 3 nile mate, that was utterly dismal. for me at least that was by far the worst performance i have seen from england for years and years, did their keeper actually have to make a save at all?
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Post by Remember Jesus on Feb 8, 2007 8:17:32 GMT -1
We have a dirth of 'world class' players at international level. Most international sides are technically far superior to us. The old 'English grit and determination' is not enough against most nations.
We won't win (if we qualify) the European championships and we certainly won't win the World Cup in SA in 2010.
Not one English player would get into a World 11.
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Post by Giar on Feb 8, 2007 8:19:17 GMT -1
i disagree mate, i think the english grit and determination is enough when put with some of the really good players we have, thing is we never actually bother to play like that
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Post by ITFC Dudette6 on Feb 8, 2007 8:20:41 GMT -1
Ipswich play better than England did last night! Glad I was in a Celtic [not the football team ] last night!
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Post by Giar on Feb 8, 2007 8:22:01 GMT -1
Ipswich play better than England did last night! Glad I was in a Celtic [not the football team ] last night! ipswich play better damn things have got REAL bad
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Post by Remember Jesus on Feb 8, 2007 8:22:08 GMT -1
i disagree mate, i think the english grit and determination is enough when put with some of the really good players we have, thing is we never actually bother to play like that Total bollox. We have not won anything at international level for over 40 years and if the likes of Barton are getting in the squad we never will.
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Post by ITFC Dudette6 on Feb 8, 2007 8:22:58 GMT -1
Ipswich play better than England did last night! Glad I was in a Celtic [not the football team ] last night! ipswich play better damn things have got REAL bad Very!
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Post by Giar on Feb 8, 2007 8:25:31 GMT -1
i disagree mate, i think the english grit and determination is enough when put with some of the really good players we have, thing is we never actually bother to play like that Total bollox. We have not won anything at international level for over 40 years and if the likes of Barton are getting in the squad we never will. we havnt played with any grit for about 10 years mate, over that time we have seen some of the best talents come and go...... i agree though, with the likes of barton and barry, scot parker and a fair few others involved we wont win shit
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Post by HURLOCK on Feb 8, 2007 8:25:47 GMT -1
twas a bag of shit, we will never win the world cup again - not until quite a few of those useless c u n ts at the FA fuck off!
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Post by Remember Jesus on Feb 8, 2007 8:30:05 GMT -1
Total bollox. We have not won anything at international level for over 40 years and if the likes of Barton are getting in the squad we never will. we havnt played with any grit for about 10 years mate, over that time we have seen some of the best talents come and go...... i agree though, with the likes of barton and barry, scot parker and a fair few others involved we wont win shit The standard of coaching is not good enough. From grassroots level upwards. You get the odd diamond coming through at a young age like Rooney ,Lennon and Walcott. But these lads have natural talent. Look at Wenger he picks up teenagers from Europe and beyond and they are already the finished article.
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Post by Giar on Feb 8, 2007 8:34:23 GMT -1
we havnt played with any grit for about 10 years mate, over that time we have seen some of the best talents come and go...... i agree though, with the likes of barton and barry, scot parker and a fair few others involved we wont win shit The standard of coaching is not good enough. From grassroots level upwards. You get the odd diamond coming through at a young age like Rooney ,Lennon and Walcott. But these lads have natural talent. Look at Wenger he picks up teenagers from Europe and beyond and they are already the finished article. spot on mate, its been in decline for years now hasnt it.......and it wasnt even that good in the 1st place
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Post by Remember Jesus on Feb 8, 2007 8:40:44 GMT -1
The premier 'may be the richest league in the world' but its choc full of foreign talent.
When Porto won the Champions League with Mourinho at the helm , 8 of the team were portugese.
Can't see an 'English' team doing the same can you?
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Post by HURLOCK on Feb 8, 2007 8:43:21 GMT -1
The premier 'may be the richest league in the world' but its choc full of foreign talent. When Porto won the Champions League with Mourinho at the helm , 8 of the team were portugese. Can't see an 'English' team doing the same can you? err No!
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Post by Giar on Feb 8, 2007 8:43:51 GMT -1
not a chance in hell. swindon have more chance of getting into europe than that
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Post by ITFC Dudette6 on Feb 8, 2007 8:44:32 GMT -1
The premier 'may be the richest league in the world' but its choc full of foreign talent. When Porto won the Champions League with Mourinho at the helm , 8 of the team were portugese. Can't see an 'English' team doing the same can you? It's something me and my brother were discussing. England are a bit like Real Madrid, take some decent players who are good at the game in their country, shove them in a team together and hope for the best! Too many egos, not enough skill...
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Post by Neko Bazu on Feb 8, 2007 8:45:43 GMT -1
Drab, dull, dismal, depressing, and lots of other negative d-words - such as dire. Who, incidentally, didn't live up to his name last night!
The only positives I saw from that match were that Ben Foster looked moderately competent (I think Cech and Buffon would've struggled with that goal!) and should be good for the future, and SWP and Dyer actually played with attacking intent. SWP's little incident on the right when he got body-checked, lost the ball, got it back, muscled out of another tackle and managed to pass the ball to Neville before getting flattened was everything I'd ask of him, and with some more work on his crossing he could be lethal in future.
No idea why Crouch gets played - rises to the occasion against weak teams (Jamaica, anyone?) but never scores against the big nations - and you're right, GIAR, he really does have a negative effect on the team as a whole. The first 10-15 mins were encouraging, but then they started lumping it to him.
Lamps and Gerrard really don't work well together, sadly, but I thought Lampard looked better than Stevie last night, for a change (and I've noticed the lack of criticism aimed at Stevie, when it's always heaped on when Lamps does worse).
Woodgate did well last night too.
Overall, though, I wasn't a happy Neko - a couple of promising signs don't make a worthwhile performance, and I'm wondering if we wouldn't be better off just throwing a load of the younger/less regular at international level players (Richards, Dyer, SWP, Woodgate, Lennon) into the fray against Israel and seeing what happens. They at least look like they want to play and make the effort - when SWP and Dyer were given opportunities, they at least scampered after them, unlike some.
Based on last night's performance, it can't do any harm!
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Post by Remember Jesus on Feb 8, 2007 8:47:01 GMT -1
We have got a bunch of decent players but the coaching is dire. And when all else fails its back to the long ball.
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Post by ITFC Dudette6 on Feb 8, 2007 8:48:10 GMT -1
We have got a bunch of decent players but the coaching is dire. And when all else fails its back to the long ball. Now that was infruriating! Dyer made good moves and yet they still hoofed it up to that numpty Crouch
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