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Post by jh1980 on Jan 29, 2007 12:08:07 GMT -1
pride? thats gone now... seems anyone can be english if they want... ah yes, that good old: "lets go to Australia cos they don't let anyone in unless they're white"  me not like the Aussie attitude to immigration...  |
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Post by fcredblue on Jan 29, 2007 12:10:11 GMT -1
whats the point of living in a country which you get mugged outside your door and if you try and stop them or defend yourself that they have rights against you... stupid!
and im getting fed up of the goverment trying to stop poverty, make racial harmony and make a fair place when they cant possibly do so... the facts are that there is ALWAYS going to be that in the country aswell as the world!
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Post by fcredblue on Jan 29, 2007 12:11:10 GMT -1
pride? thats gone now... seems anyone can be english if they want... ah yes, that good old: "lets go to Australia cos they don't let anyone in unless they're white" me not like the Aussie attitude to immigration... but how can you argue with it? |
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 29, 2007 12:15:57 GMT -1
ah yes, that good old: "lets go to Australia cos they don't let anyone in unless they're white" me not like the Aussie attitude to immigration... but how can you argue with it?  how can you support it?! I'm not even sure where I can begin to argue if you're saying you'd rather live somewhere where immigration was restricted to prevent perceived "undesirables" when that perception is based almost entirely on colour and/or religion. |
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Post by fcredblue on Jan 29, 2007 12:20:07 GMT -1
but how can you argue with it? how can you support it?! I'm not even sure where I can begin to argue if you're saying you'd rather live somewhere where immigration was restricted to prevent perceived "undeniables" when that perception is based almost entirely on colour and/or religion. well i live in the same country which provents me from becoming a policeman because of my colour and religion... is that fair? |
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 29, 2007 12:22:48 GMT -1
well i live in the same country which provents me from becoming a policeman because of my colour and religion... is that fair? ummm, I assumed you were white and (probably) Anglican. I cannot imagine that being a barrier to you becoming a Policeman in the vast majority of the forces in the UK. feel free to say more though...  |
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Post by The Lucky C on Jan 29, 2007 12:24:00 GMT -1
how can you support it?! I'm not even sure where I can begin to argue if you're saying you'd rather live somewhere where immigration was restricted to prevent perceived "undeniables" when that perception is based almost entirely on colour and/or religion. well i live in the same country which provents me from becoming a policeman because of my colour and religion... is that fair? never heard that one before. a mate of mine joined the police, and was asked if he had ever been a card-carrying member of the BNP (he hadn't). but even if true, two wrongs don't make a right |
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Post by fcredblue on Jan 29, 2007 12:28:24 GMT -1
well i live in the same country which provents me from becoming a policeman because of my colour and religion... is that fair? ummm, I assumed you were white and (probably) Anglican. I cannot imagine that being a barrier to you becoming a Policeman in the vast majority of the forces in the UK. feel free to say more though... *cough* my dad was a copper *cough* theres no chance of getting in the force if you are white... if you are from a ethnic minority then you will get in...FACT! i said thats blatent racism toward white people and he said they need more people from non white backgrounds in the force... now to me... its either one or the other! |
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 29, 2007 12:39:17 GMT -1
*cough* my dad was a copper *cough* theres no chance of getting in the force if you are white... if you are from a ethnic minority then you will get in...FACT! i said thats blatent racism toward white people and he said they need more people from non white backgrounds in the force... now to me... its either one or the other! It's not a fact... positive discrimination doesn't prevent white christian males from joining the force, though it does make it harder. The Police, bless 'em, are trying hard to get more Coppers from a mix of backgrounds in because they correctly see that in some communities white officers aren't trusted. That may be wrong/ borderline racist from those communities, but emergency services exist to serve the public - and if communities are happier talking to someone "from their background" so be it. You would probably be able to get a job with the Police in many places, but it may be harder to get that same job in your local area, true. But it doesn't mean give up. You should just try harder to be the best candidate. |
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Post by The Lucky C on Jan 29, 2007 12:46:44 GMT -1
ummm, I assumed you were white and (probably) Anglican. I cannot imagine that being a barrier to you becoming a Policeman in the vast majority of the forces in the UK. feel free to say more though... *cough* my dad was a copper *cough* theres no chance of getting in the force if you are white... if you are from a ethnic minority then you will get in...FACT! i said thats blatent racism toward white people and he said they need more people from non white backgrounds in the force... now to me... its either one or the other! from what you just said - and forgive me if my assumptions appear incorrect - you've not actually tried to join the police and are going on second hand knowledge. is your dad in charge of recruitment? whilst there is positive discrimination going on, as jules said this is down to communities and ethnic groups being under-represented in an organisation that is meant to serve them, and could be accused of neglecting these areas in recent history.whilst in an ideal world it would be 'right man for the right job regardless', these days in an unfortunately far from ideal world mean that certain issues have to be taken into consideration. but, that doesn't mean that all applications from white, christian males go into the dustbin and should would be able to find a job in most parts of the country |
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 29, 2007 12:50:30 GMT -1
whilst there is positive discrimination going on, as jules said this is down to communities and ethnic groups being under-represented in an organisation that is meant to serve them, and could be accused of neglecting these areas in recent history.whilst in an ideal world it would be 'right man for the right job regardless', these days in an unfortunately far from ideal world mean that certain issues have to be taken into consideration. but, that doesn't mean that all applications from white, christian males go into the dustbin and should would be able to find a job in most parts of the country Said - and well said. RB there's no vicious campaign against "people like us" - honestly. |
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 29, 2007 12:55:48 GMT -1
For the record, anyone who's thinking about moving to another country should try asking people in that country what it's really like. A lot of them think it'd be amazing to move here - and I'd know, I'm in regular contact with people all over the world (the US, Australia, Holland, Indonesia, Finland, Latvia and Canada to name a few places).
The grass is always greener on the other side, unless you're living next door to those poor sods in the Darfur region.
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 29, 2007 13:03:07 GMT -1
You'd have thought Holland would be quite pleasant. Bit watery though... and might turn out a tad unproductive!!! ;D
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Post by Rulesaints on Jan 29, 2007 13:06:04 GMT -1
I didn't expect this thread to become a political debate  |
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 29, 2007 13:07:16 GMT -1
I didn't expect this thread to become a political debate A thread about cake could become a political debate on here |
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Post by The Lucky C on Jan 29, 2007 13:08:11 GMT -1
I didn't expect this thread to become a political debate A thread about cake could become a political debate on here cake? foodstuff of the imperialist bastards of the 18th century? victoria sponge my arse! |
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Post by addicted2venos on Jan 29, 2007 13:08:37 GMT -1
I didn't expect this thread to become a political debate A thread about cake could become a political debate on here .......... and a raging polital debate could become a thread about cake. Such is the magical power of this board!! |
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Post by Rulesaints on Jan 29, 2007 13:09:40 GMT -1
Back to the point of this thread.... GIVE ME YOUR SYMPATHY  carry on |
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Post by The Lucky C on Jan 29, 2007 13:10:50 GMT -1
Back to the point of this thread.... GIVE ME YOUR SYMPATHY carry on sympathy sympathy. DEATH TO CAKE! |
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 29, 2007 13:11:41 GMT -1
You'd have thought Holland would be quite pleasant. Bit watery though... and might turn out a tad unproductive!!! ;D I think everyone looks at Holland through rose-tinted lenses (glasses or eyes, whichever  ) - get past the apparently fantastically liberal laws, and people there are unhappy about a lot of the same stuff as we are. Can't buy beer in pints either, and they put ridiculous amounts of head on it too, even in half-pint glasses (Don't get me started on the cost either...) Yes, that latter paragraph is spoken from experience~ |
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) - get past the apparently fantastically liberal laws, and people there are unhappy about a lot of the same stuff as we are.