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Post by HURLOCK on Jan 10, 2007 13:32:27 GMT -1
Sign this if you drive! You've probably heard about the online petition to stop 'pay as you go' road charging. If you want to sign the petition please read the details below. You have until the 20th February to petition against this ... it is real. DEMOCRACY IN ACTION The government's proposal to introduce road pricing will mean you having to purchase a tracking device for your car and paying a monthly bill to use it. The tracking device will cost about £200 and in a recent study by the BBC, the lowest monthly bill was £28 for a rural florist and £194 for a delivery driver. A non-working Mum who used the car to take the kids to school paid £86 in one month. On top of this massive increase in tax, you will be tracked. Somebody will know where you are at all times. They will also know how fast you have been going, so even if you accidentally creep over a speed limit in time you can probably expect a Notice of Intended Prosecution with your monthly bill. If you care about our freedom and stopping the constant bashing of the car driver, please sign the petition on No 10's new website (link below) and pass this on to as many people as possible. petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/ |
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 10, 2007 13:41:07 GMT -1
Feh - I don't drive, and I've signed. Don't much fancy the general increase in the cost of EVERYTHING after that! (Imagine how much long-distance haulage firms etc would have to pay per month!  ) |
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Post by The Lucky C on Jan 10, 2007 13:41:53 GMT -1
i've signed
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Post by HURLOCK on Jan 10, 2007 13:42:20 GMT -1
Exactly, now tell me how this is better than the Torries?   |
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Post by The Lucky C on Jan 10, 2007 13:45:23 GMT -1
i'd call it the same as the tories myself ;D |
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 10, 2007 13:50:07 GMT -1
cobblers.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 10, 2007 13:53:13 GMT -1
Actually, it's true - it was initially brought up in the house of commons several months ago, and the petition is actually there. I was number 192,999 to sign it. Not cobblers  |
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Post by HURLOCK on Jan 10, 2007 13:53:14 GMT -1
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 10, 2007 13:54:39 GMT -1
Truth told, the bit about 'big brother will be watching you~! !' is pretty irrelevant to me - we've got a CCTV camera for every 14 people in the country already anyway, and do you think Tesco etc aren't monitoring your loyalty cards? - but the implications involved are. I really don't want this - as I said, think about what, for instance, haulage firms will have to pay every month. To cover this, they'll have to put prices up. Shops will cover that with price rises too. You think your wages will rise to match it? |
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 10, 2007 13:59:21 GMT -1
Actually, it's true - it was initially brought up in the house of commons several months ago, and the petition is actually there. I was number 192,999 to sign it. Not cobblers Well I hope the petition is ignored. Road user charging is a blunt tool, but if you can think of a better way to get people off the roads...? Course I would like it, I'm a transport planner  |
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Post by HURLOCK on Jan 10, 2007 14:02:10 GMT -1
Actually, it's true - it was initially brought up in the house of commons several months ago, and the petition is actually there. I was number 192,999 to sign it. Not cobblers Well I hope the petition is ignored. Road user charging is a blunt tool, but if you can think of a better way to get people off the roads...? Course I would like it, I'm a transport planner what might they be Jules? |
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 10, 2007 14:02:45 GMT -1
Actually, it's true - it was initially brought up in the house of commons several months ago, and the petition is actually there. I was number 192,999 to sign it. Not cobblers Well I hope the petition is ignored. Road user charging is a blunt tool, but if you can think of a better way to get people off the roads...? Course I would like it, I'm a transport planner Off the roads and onto what, though? Public transport sure as hell can't handle it! My post about rising prices was actually my main concern, not being a driver |
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 10, 2007 14:07:33 GMT -1
what might they be Jules? no, that's the point I'm making, asking people nicely to cut down on using their cars hasn't worked, and nor has a revolution in fuel technologies (ok that one *may* still be coming). congestion charging imo works for central London, it makes sense to me. yes there is an argument that it's a regressive tax as it hits motorists regardless of their ability to pay - leading to motoring being only for the rich (like pre-WW2 ) but I don't think that's why most people oppose it - simply militant self-interest. |
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Post by festerroyalblue on Jan 10, 2007 14:10:48 GMT -1
it wouldnt make a difference if he got rid of road tax...if he got rid of road tax it would actually make more sence, but being the tight fisted scots bastard he is...he wont do that. he just wants more money for an illegal war (which he wont spend the money to save our boys lives) and too pay for the renovation of a few more mps apartments.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 10, 2007 14:11:19 GMT -1
but I don't think that's why most people oppose it - simply militant self-interest. Well, you wouldn't really oppose something that benefitted you, would you? I freely admit I oppose it because it doesn't benefit me - it just so happens that as far as I can see, it doesn't benefit many people! |
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 10, 2007 14:17:00 GMT -1
it wouldnt make a difference if he got rid of road tax...if he got rid of road tax it would actually make more sence, but being the tight fisted scots bastard he is...he wont do that. he just wants more money for an illegal war (which he wont spend the money to save our boys lives) and too pay for the renovation of a few more mps apartments. what a load of steaming bollocks!  okay I'll remind myself not to bother arguing about these things. you're entitled to your views, all of you... |
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Post by festerroyalblue on Jan 10, 2007 14:18:18 GMT -1
not bollox, but hey ho...agree to diasagree
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 10, 2007 14:18:46 GMT -1
okay I'll remind myself not to bother arguing about these things. you're entitled to your views, all of you... But didn't you hear? It's 1984 now; all our views are being monitored. Young fester there will be disappeared soon! |
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 10, 2007 14:24:10 GMT -1
But didn't you hear? It's 1984 now; all our views are being monitored. Young fester there will be disappeared soon! Ha ha ha. Road-user charging is in the public interest. You don't have a god-given right to travel in any case, although that is the worry that stirs people up about this. Crazy - it's all "we have a right to drive around on these roads without thinking about the consequences for the environment, let alone the cost of maintenance etc..." Especially if you're in London - use the bus, tube or train ffs! |
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 10, 2007 14:25:52 GMT -1
But didn't you hear? It's 1984 now; all our views are being monitored. Young fester there will be disappeared soon! Ha ha ha. Road-user charging is in the public interest. You don't have a god-given right to travel in any case, although that is the worry that stirs people up about this. Crazy - it's all "we have a right to drive around on these roads without thinking about the consequences for the environment, let alone the cost of maintenance etc..." Especially if you're in London - use the bus, tube or train ffs! Can the transport network handle it though? That's my major concern on that front. God knows all those people who drive to London every morning down the M1 won't fit on the trains! |
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