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Post by mortontheblade on Jun 1, 2007 9:53:29 GMT -1
does not the stat that more "brown" babies (ie the parents are of different races) are born in britain than black, suggest the English to not be that racist at all.....
.... also before the windies migrations of the mid 1900s, in the 1800s, England had a Black community, which by the time the modern migrations had occured had disappeared again do to interbreeding, does that not suggest a working class indifference to race....
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Post by Billy on Jun 1, 2007 9:55:21 GMT -1
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Post by Billy on Jun 1, 2007 9:55:53 GMT -1
AHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!! Those eyes look cool! ;D
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Post by HURLOCK on Jun 1, 2007 9:56:47 GMT -1
you strike me as a canvas shoe wearing type ;D I do like a nice pair of deck-shoes actually... ...drawing the threads all together, I should perhaps become a pirate! thats very Ken Clarke esque!
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Post by HURLOCK on Jun 1, 2007 9:58:03 GMT -1
does not the stat that more "brown" babies (ie the parents are of different races) are born in britain than black, suggest the English to not be that racist at all..... .... also before the windies migrations of the mid 1900s, in the 1800s, England had a Black community, which by the time the modern migrations had occured had disappeared again do to interbreeding, does that not suggest a working class indifference to race.... would that explain the northern affliction.........................
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Post by jh1980 on Jun 1, 2007 9:58:05 GMT -1
does not the stat that more "brown" babies (ie the parents are of different races) are born in britain than black, suggest the English to not be that racist at all..... .... also before the windies migrations of the mid 1900s, in the 1800s, England had a Black community, which by the time the modern migrations had occured had disappeared again do to interbreeding, does that not suggest a working class indifference to race.... *shrugs* it suggests nothing to me... struggling to see what you mean there, yes there were previous small ethnic-minority communities before the 20th century, so what?
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Post by HURLOCK on Jun 1, 2007 9:59:21 GMT -1
does not the stat that more "brown" babies (ie the parents are of different races) are born in britain than black, suggest the English to not be that racist at all..... .... also before the windies migrations of the mid 1900s, in the 1800s, England had a Black community, which by the time the modern migrations had occured had disappeared again do to interbreeding, does that not suggest a working class indifference to race.... *shrugs* it suggests nothing to me... struggling to see what you mean there, yes there were previous small ethnic-minority communities before the 20th century, so what? who the fuck are you Jules, make your mind up man!
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Post by mortontheblade on Jun 1, 2007 10:00:23 GMT -1
does not the stat that more "brown" babies (ie the parents are of different races) are born in britain than black, suggest the English to not be that racist at all..... .... also before the windies migrations of the mid 1900s, in the 1800s, England had a Black community, which by the time the modern migrations had occured had disappeared again do to interbreeding, does that not suggest a working class indifference to race.... *shrugs* it suggests nothing to me... struggling to see what you mean there, yes there were previous small ethnic-minority communities before the 20th century, so what? if you're racist you're not gonna breed with someone of another race are you
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Post by jh1980 on Jun 1, 2007 10:02:17 GMT -1
thats very Ken Clarke esque! Does Ken Clarke wear deckshoes? Or is he a closet pirate?! Deckshoes are cool...!
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Post by jh1980 on Jun 1, 2007 10:02:59 GMT -1
who the fuck are you Jules, make your mind up man! Eh?! What's the problem Hurls?!
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Post by HURLOCK on Jun 1, 2007 10:03:11 GMT -1
*shrugs* it suggests nothing to me... struggling to see what you mean there, yes there were previous small ethnic-minority communities before the 20th century, so what? if you're racist you're not gonna breed with someone of another race are you Well thats wrong mate, it's well documentated that the owners of plantations shagged their negro's and some of them spawned children as a result of it
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Post by mortontheblade on Jun 1, 2007 10:05:34 GMT -1
if you're racist you're not gonna breed with someone of another race are you Well thats wrong mate, it's well documentated that the owners of plantations shagged their negro's and some of them spawned children as a result of it thats different, that was for pleasure.... and just cos one was master and one was slave doesn't mean one believe them to be racial superior to the other either...
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Post by jh1980 on Jun 1, 2007 10:06:02 GMT -1
if you're racist you're not gonna breed with someone of another race are you Not if you're properly racist, no. BUT many people can be prejudiced in general, but not in particular cases - hence the "some of my best friends are *insert minority* It is possible to be attracted to people you despise, as well...
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Post by jh1980 on Jun 1, 2007 10:06:57 GMT -1
Well thats wrong mate, it's well documentated that the owners of plantations shagged their negro's and some of them spawned children as a result of it thats different, that was for pleasure.... well isn't this a tasteful little convo.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jun 1, 2007 10:07:06 GMT -1
It's all a perception thing.
Certainly in Luton, there's not a major racism issue. Everyone I've spoken to on the subject (black, white, asian or whatever) is basically happy to live together as long as everyone else pulls their weight and respects each other. The only resentment generally felt against immigrants is when they try to force their values on us and completely reject ours - but then, if you go into another man's house and he asks you to take your shoes off, it's only fair that you do, right?
Look at it this way - there used to be a branch of Al Muhijiduran (or whatever the hell it's called) in Luton but the population (especially those the group was trying to recruit) forced it to disband.
Maybe in people aged 30+ there's a racism issue, but certainly not among the majority of working-class people (and I refuse to count chavs in 'working class' because most of them don't actually work!)
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Post by HURLOCK on Jun 1, 2007 10:09:10 GMT -1
who the fuck are you Jules, make your mind up man! Eh?! What's the problem Hurls?! you've changed your name again, just messing with ya
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jun 1, 2007 10:09:46 GMT -1
if you're racist you're not gonna breed with someone of another race are you Not if you're properly racist, no. BUT many people can be prejudiced in general, but not in particular cases - hence the "some of my best friends are *insert minority* It is possible to be attracted to people you despise, as well... There's a difference between prejudice and racism, you know. Racism is outright fear/hatred of people of a given race; prejudice is just an impression you have of people of a given type before you even meet them. Prejudice can even be favourable! (Is it racist, for instance, to say that most Indian people I've met are really nice? Because that's certainly built a prejudice for me - I expect to positively respond to them!)
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Post by HURLOCK on Jun 1, 2007 10:11:18 GMT -1
everyone has prejudice of some sort in them! tis human - Jules you don't like the Swansea lads etc., etc.,
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Post by jh1980 on Jun 1, 2007 10:11:19 GMT -1
Eh?! What's the problem Hurls?! you've changed your name again, just messing with ya yeah, I think I'll have gone back to "Jules" by the end of the day, new names lose their novelty pretty dang quickly! Neko - good to hear Luton is the promised land, I'll give the credit to that thoroughly good politician Kelvin Hopkins! Getting lunch, brb...
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Post by mortontheblade on Jun 1, 2007 10:13:31 GMT -1
if you're racist you're not gonna breed with someone of another race are you Not if you're properly racist, no. BUT many people can be prejudiced in general, but not in particular cases - hence the "some of my best friends are *insert minority* It is possible to be attracted to people you despise, as well... everyone is prejudice, jules, you should hear some of the assumptions made about skinny people on mass by the general public. Most of the assumptions are HIGHLY insulting and untrue! some minorities are in fact racist too; at uni this year, a fella of middle eastern origin proclaimed to my mates (would is half england and half sikh), "i'm beat you anyway as asians are smarter than whites anyway" ...... it was amount a moot and i believe the fella lost ;D ignorance causes bigotry and i seriously don't believe the working class english to be more ignorant than anyone peoples working class...
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