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Post by C@V on Nov 10, 2006 14:53:45 GMT -1
There are two things to aim at in life: first to get what you want; and after that, to enjoy it. Only the wisest of mankind achieve the second. The first aim is very selfish. The second you'd have to be stupid not to achieve...  *Disclaimer - Personal view* It's my capitalist upbringing! ;D |
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 10, 2006 14:57:35 GMT -1
It's my capitalist upbringing! ;D I would not be surprised if our backgrounds were similar, Matthieu... I like to think I transcended my background and you did not?! ;D <looks down nose like the kid you wanna smack!> |
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Post by C@V on Nov 10, 2006 15:01:05 GMT -1
It's my capitalist upbringing! ;D I would not be surprised if our backgrounds were similar, Matthieu... I like to think I transcended my background and you did not?! ;D <looks down nose like the kid you wanna smack!> You are incorrect Jules. It is I that looks down my nose at you, the trade union loving, yogurt knitting leftie!  You'd sail this nation down the river given half the chance and dilute it's history and traditions.  |
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 10, 2006 15:04:52 GMT -1
You are incorrect Jules. It is I that looks down my nose at you, the trade union loving, yogurt knitting leftie! You'd sail this nation down the river given half the chance and dilute it's history and traditions. Oof! That had the ring of truth about it!!!   what is "yoghurt knitting"  Oh and seeing as I got things the wrong way round, do excuse me a moment... <smacks Cav in the chops!> ;D Don't you mean "sell" And no I wouldn't!  I'm very interested in heritage as a matter of fact. But if you ever want to discuss this properly I'm ready and waiting. No actual violence though, that'd be a bad plan... |
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Post by C@V on Nov 10, 2006 15:08:47 GMT -1
I don't do violence the power of word is much more powerful. Where you wanna start? Oh I know you hate capitalism and the right side of politics. Tell me this..................why you living in a swanky flat in trendy London with a nice job that pays well?  ***POW the question smacks Jules straight between the eyes*** |
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 10, 2006 15:15:39 GMT -1
I don't do violence the power of word is much more powerful. Where you wanna start? Oh I know you hate capitalism and the right side of politics. Tell me this..................why you living in a swanky flat in trendy London with a nice job that pays well? ***POW the question smacks Jules straight between the eyes*** <shocked that Cav doesn't do violence!> I have no time for the Conservative party, 'tis true... but your "arguments" are facile. I live in a swanky flat because I am a lucky boy. The fact that I have been massively privileged in my life doesn't make me think it is right that some should be massively under-privileged. To be honest, I came to "Trendy London" because most of my friends from Uni were working here. That social side of things was important to me. My job doesn't pay *that* well compared to private sector salaries for someone of my skills and experience, however I work in the public sector because I have a genuine commitment to public service and making this part of the world a better place (as far as possible) ***that'll be a block then! have you not had a convo like this with Laura? She's got good politics I believe... *** |
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Post by C@V on Nov 10, 2006 15:23:36 GMT -1
Yep I've put Laura in her place many a time! So free market economy principles are fine, and so is the right for any individual to better him/herself to the point of great wealth. Do you agree with that? |
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 10, 2006 15:29:58 GMT -1
Yep I've put Laura in her place many a time! So free market economy principles are fine, and so is the right for any individual to better him/herself to the point of great wealth. Do you agree with that? LOL you always have to make it sound dirty eh?! ;D Ohhh... remind me you *studied* politics didn't you?! To be honest, I find "great wealth" offensive - but I tend to explain that in emotive rather than rational terms. So no I suppose at base I would rather see the economy run differently. Before you call me a Commie I don't mean a planned economy... however I don't quite know enough about economics to explain fully... |
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Post by Stan on Nov 10, 2006 15:31:21 GMT -1
Yep I've put Laura in her place many a time! So free market economy principles are fine, and so is the right for any individual to better him/herself to the point of great wealth. Do you agree with that? LOL you always have to make it sound dirty eh?! ;D Ohhh... remind me you *studied* politics didn't you?! To be honest, I find "great wealth" offensive - but I tend to explain that in emotive rather than rational terms. So no I suppose at base I would rather see the economy run differently. Before you call me a Commie I don't mean a planned economy... however I don't quite know enough about economics to explain fully... Commie! |
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Post by C@V on Nov 10, 2006 15:32:23 GMT -1
Yep I've put Laura in her place many a time! So free market economy principles are fine, and so is the right for any individual to better him/herself to the point of great wealth. Do you agree with that? LOL you always have to make it sound dirty eh?! ;D Ohhh... remind me you *studied* politics didn't you?! To be honest, I find "great wealth" offensive - but I tend to explain that in emotive rather than rational terms. So no I suppose at base I would rather see the economy run differently. Before you call me a Commie I don't mean a planned economy... however I don't quite know enough about economics to explain fully... Commie WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STANLEY!!!! |
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 10, 2006 15:32:37 GMT -1
Hello Stanley! <he said wearily> How dare Cav make me try to think on a Friday afternoon!!!  How you doing? I'll be off soon hopefully |
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 10, 2006 15:35:15 GMT -1
To quote "Brassed Off" "So God was creating man. And his little assistant came up to him and he said: "Hey, we've got all these bodies left, but we're right out of brains, we're right out of hearts and we're right out of vocal chords." And God said: "Fuck it! Sew 'em up anyway. Smack smiles on the faces and make them talk out of their arses." And lo, God created the Tory Party." unsophisticated political abuse at it's best!!!  |
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Post by C@V on Nov 10, 2006 15:36:41 GMT -1
To quote "Brassed Off" "So God was creating man. And his little assistant came up to him and he said: "Hey, we've got all these bodies left, but we're right out of brains, we're right out of hearts and we're right out of vocal chords." And God said: "Fuck it! Sew 'em up anyway. Smack smiles on the faces and make them talk out of their arses." And lo, God created the Tory Party." unsophisticated political abuse at it's best!!! If it wasn't for the Tories we wouldn't have New Labour! Who I'd bet you voted for lol! |
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Post by Stan on Nov 10, 2006 15:37:10 GMT -1
To quote "Brassed Off" "So God was creating man. And his little assistant came up to him and he said: "Hey, we've got all these bodies left, but we're right out of brains, we're right out of hearts and we're right out of vocal chords." And God said: "Fuck it! Sew 'em up anyway. Smack smiles on the faces and make them talk out of their arses." And lo, God created the Tory Party." unsophisticated political abuse at it's best!!! Or just verbal diarrhoea.... (gwan - put me spelling right you old sheep shagger!) |
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 10, 2006 15:41:22 GMT -1
Some good William Morris quotes:
“I hope that we shall have leisure from war, -- war commercial, as well as war of the bullet and the bayonet; leisure from the knowledge that darkens counsel; leisure above all from the greed of money, and the craving for that overwhelming distinction that money now brings: I believe that, as we have even now partly achieved liberty , so we shall achieve equality , and best of all, fraternity , and so have leisure from poverty and all its griping, sordid cares.”
"I have attempted to read the works of Marx, but much of it appears to be dreary rubbish. I am, I hope, a socialist nonetheless! It is enough political economy for me to know that the rich are rich and the poor are poor, and the rich are rich because they exploit the poor."
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 10, 2006 15:43:16 GMT -1
Or just verbal diarrhoea.... (gwan - put me spelling right you old sheep shagger!) Fuck's sake Stan you're not a Tory too are ye? Or can you really just not resist to take a swipe at the Welshman? Yes Cav, I voted New "Labour" for a want of anything better... |
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Post by C@V on Nov 10, 2006 15:47:56 GMT -1
Some good William Morris quotes: “I hope that we shall have leisure from war, -- war commercial, as well as war of the bullet and the bayonet; leisure from the knowledge that darkens counsel; leisure above all from the greed of money, and the craving for that overwhelming distinction that money now brings: I believe that, as we have even now partly achieved liberty , so we shall achieve equality , and best of all, fraternity , and so have leisure from poverty and all its griping, sordid cares.” "I have attempted to read the works of Marx, but much of it appears to be dreary rubbish. I am, I hope, a socialist nonetheless! It is enough political economy for me to know that the rich are rich and the poor are poor, and the rich are rich because they exploit the poor." Why do socialists assume that the rich are rich coz they exploit the poor?? Many rich people are rich because they exploit the rich social class they operate in. My view is this. We all have the ability in a society such as Britain to better ourselves. Those who take this opportunity can flourish whether they are working, middle or upper class. There will always be poor people some who don't deserve it and some who do, for what ever reason. However it is not fair to restrict those who aspire to do well in life and the facts are that human nature is to move forward. I am an ambitious person and whether it's nice or not, I will succeed and enjoy the fruits of my labour..................and my conscience will be clear! I thank you! |
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 10, 2006 15:56:17 GMT -1
Why do socialists assume that the rich are rich coz they exploit the poor?? Many rich people are rich because they exploit the rich social class they operate in. Okay there are some whose wealth does not come solely from treading on the heads of other people... but I would not like to speculate about percentages, I also just find it obscene that some people can claim the wages they do, and base that on "the market" - an untameable beast? A reasonable view in a way but simply untrue. Not everyone has the same opportunities, and that is a fact. The disparity of opportunity is something which bothers me, fair play if it doesn't bother you. Okay, you're willing for some people to fail through no fault of their own. Social Darwinism Cav? Hell take the hindmost? Not my bag. Don't start making arguments from nature because it the whole point of human progress is to go beyond the limits of our animalistic nature... broadly speaking. Nothing wrong with ambition, where well directed. Yes but I would like everyone to enjoy the full fruits of their labour - ironically a part of the old Labour Party Clause Four!!! I didn't say "how can you sleep at night" you're not exactly on the "top 10 evil capitalists" list are you now?! have a good weekend Don Cavallero... seeya soon I'm off! |
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Post by C@V on Nov 10, 2006 16:08:50 GMT -1
Bye JH we can continue on Monday!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo
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Post by C@V on Nov 13, 2006 7:49:57 GMT -1
Happy Monday team! |
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what is "yoghurt knitting" 
Oh and seeing as I got things the wrong way round, do excuse me a moment... <smacks Cav in the chops!> ;D
I'm very interested in heritage as a matter of fact. But if you ever want to discuss this properly I'm ready and waiting. No actual violence though, that'd be a bad plan... 
