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Post by JJ on May 22, 2006 12:03:08 GMT -1
Any one know what the plans are on the playing side of things?
Are Douglas and Miller going back to Blackburn and Man U?
Is Bakke on his way to Villa?
Will Healy put in a transfer request? (fingers crossed)
Will mid range Prem clubs come in for the likes of Killa?
Will Blackwell be in charge for the first game of next season? (am beginning to think he doesn't have the motivational skills needed)
Time will tell, I suppose....
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Post by Stan on May 22, 2006 12:04:16 GMT -1
Any one know what the plans are on the playing side of things? Are Douglas and Miller going back to Blackburn and Man U? Is Bakke on his way to Villa? Will Healy put in a transfer request? (fingers crossed) Will mid range Prem clubs come in for the likes of Killa? Will Blackwell be in charge for the first game of next season? (am beginning to think he doesn't have the motivational skills needed) Time will tell, I suppose.... btw JJ... have you been to see Bon Jovi yet? If so, were they any good... and did you wear your drainpipes?
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Post by Billy on May 22, 2006 12:07:03 GMT -1
Any one know what the plans are on the playing side of things? Are Douglas and Miller going back to Blackburn and Man U? Is Bakke on his way to Villa? Will Healy put in a transfer request? (fingers crossed) Will mid range Prem clubs come in for the likes of Killa? Will Blackwell be in charge for the first game of next season? (am beginning to think he doesn't have the motivational skills needed) Time will tell, I suppose.... I hope Miller stays, Douglas IMO hasn't been ALL that good. Killa HAS to stay if we are going to have any chance next season, Bakke will be off, KB won't want to keep paying his wages. I dunno about Haley, I like him but I can't see the point of Leeds having so many strikers and then persistently only playing ONE of them We need a decent left back, another CB coz butler won't last forever, and another attacking midfielder. ANd meybe, ( and I can't believe I'm saying this) a better manager
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Post by JJ on May 22, 2006 12:08:12 GMT -1
was this weekend Stan - put up a thread in the General News. It was brilliant No drainpipes, I'm afraid. Wore my leather trousers
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Post by Stan on May 22, 2006 12:10:27 GMT -1
was this weekend Stan - put up a thread in the General News. It was brilliant No drainpipes, I'm afraid. Wore my leather trousers I've got tickets to see them at wembley (obv. now milton keynes)... but not sure whether to sell it... don't think they're as good as they used to be...?
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Post by JJ on May 22, 2006 12:10:31 GMT -1
Can't disagree with you there Billy (apart from Healy).
Must admit to being peed off at our inability to deal with balls into the box.
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Post by Lollipop on May 22, 2006 12:10:46 GMT -1
Killa won't go. I think/hope Miller stays. Blackwell will be manager. Sorted!
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Post by JJ on May 22, 2006 12:12:37 GMT -1
After all the piss taking I've had, and you're going as well!?!??!? Get yourself along mate. They still put on a great show. Played a little bit too much of the recent stuff for my liking but still plenty of of the old classics. was this weekend Stan - put up a thread in the General News. It was brilliant No drainpipes, I'm afraid. Wore my leather trousers I've got tickets to see them at wembley (obv. now milton keynes)... but not sure whether to sell it... don't think they're as good as they used to be...?
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Post by JJ on May 22, 2006 12:13:12 GMT -1
As simple as that, eh Jen?! Killa won't go. I think/hope Miller stays. Blackwell will be manager. Sorted!
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Post by Lollipop on May 22, 2006 12:14:22 GMT -1
As simple as that, eh Jen?! Killa won't go. I think/hope Miller stays. Blackwell will be manager. Sorted! Oh aye.
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Post by Katiekins on May 22, 2006 12:14:25 GMT -1
I want Miller to stay he has been good. I wouldnt really mind about Douglas he has played well in a few games. I would like Healy to stay but something tells me i dont think he will! Killa noooooooooooo he cannot go he has been one of our best players
KB he has done alot for the club but i dont think he has what it takes to take us further
But yea we shall see what teh future brings and hopefully it can improve us fro next season
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Post by JJ on May 22, 2006 12:17:58 GMT -1
I'll be happy for KB to stay if 1. he realises that 4-5-1 with our current players just doesn't work. 2. Killa is wasted as a left back. 3. Hulse needs help up front And although I hate to say so, I think Sullivan had a terrible season compared with last. As simple as that, eh Jen?! Oh aye.
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Post by Lollipop on May 22, 2006 12:21:22 GMT -1
I'll be happy for KB to stay if 1. he realises that 4-5-1 with our current players just doesn't work. 2. Killa is wasted as a left back. 3. Hulse needs help up front And although I hate to say so, I think Sullivan had a terrible season compared with last. I agree with that. Sullivan had a BAD game yesterday!
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Post by JJ on May 22, 2006 12:26:39 GMT -1
Not just yesterday Jen I'll be happy for KB to stay if 1. he realises that 4-5-1 with our current players just doesn't work. 2. Killa is wasted as a left back. 3. Hulse needs help up front And although I hate to say so, I think Sullivan had a terrible season compared with last. I agree with that. Sullivan had a BAD game yesterday!
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Post by cmonleeds on May 22, 2006 13:03:07 GMT -1
Hey all. Sorry it's a long one. Still feeling dejected after that. Met a few of the Watford fans yesterday up in Cardiff, needless to say that school (just outside Watford) was not a great place to be this morning but obviously had the Leeds scarf and badge on so that made me feel stronger.
But as to "What now?" Whilst I wouldn't sack him, I see there to be a case for Blackwell to be going. As far as I see this is the case:
Blackwell Stays: 1. We were consistently in the top five throughout the season 2. We didn't concede many goals 3. Last season he stopped the rot and stabilised, this year we challenged, next year we'll go up 4. It has been no modest achievement to "resurrect" us from where we were, liquidation etc. 5. Long term success is built on stability and consistency (Man U/Arsenal/Charlton) 6. When the 4-5-1 wasn't working yesterday at least he brought on Blake at half time to play just off Hulse.
Blackwell goes: 1. We bottled automatic promotion when we had the chance and we bottled promotion via the playoffs yesterday. Had we had won our game in hand vs. Palace we would have been 1 point behind Sheff U with less than 2 months left in the season. They kept throwing away points. 2. (Continuation of "1") In the games that really mattered i.e. Plymouth at home, Hull away we couldnt put passes together let alone score a goal - hence it was no coincidence that 1 man upfront against a mean Watford defence (they conceded very few in their last 10 games) was not going to work (other than through a set piece - like what happened at Deepdale in the semi). 3. There's no getting away from the fact that our 4-5-1 is negative. It hardly ever "becomes" 4-3-3. 4. We got lucky just before Christmas (Southampton, Burnley, Milwall) those are what put us in the playoff zone 5. With our squad we should have done better. We have spent a bit of money for a Championship club. 6. West ham got relegated and lost all their players (their club was not in as dire straits as us, admittedly) but Pardew took them to the playoff final defeat in season 1 and promotion in season 2. We got to the playoff final defeat in season 2. 7. Blackwell talking about expectations. We were favourites to go down last season with Rotheram and Gillingham but hey we finished 14th woo hoo. Watford were favourites to go down THIS season, are they singing about finishing 14th? are they singing about getting to the playoff zone? Aidy Boothroyd turned an odds on relegation threatened shoestring club with few fans into a Premiership one in a matter of one season. With our resources and our fan base surely you would expecter quicker progress than Watford's progress
My Conclusion: We keep him for a season and write him a letter saying please play blake or healy or beckford or a combination of them and play 4-4-2. Next season we finish top 2. Finishing in the playoff zone is below par. Obviously if we finish in the playoffs and win then that's fine - but anything less than promotion is failure. Failure warrants dismissal.
Thus IMO Blackwell has 1 more season to take us up.
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Post by cmonleeds on May 22, 2006 13:20:54 GMT -1
...views?
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Post by JJ on May 22, 2006 13:33:50 GMT -1
Hmm, some good points there.
Briefly, I would say that the negatives outweigh the positives. Blackie brought some much needed stability and for that, he has my utmost respect and gratitude. He has done a great job in the circumstances.
HOWEVER, can he take us any further? Does he have the tactical nous? I'm not sure. I hate to see disloyalty in football, but I really don't see what can be gained by keeping him for a further season. Not getting promoted isn't the issue for me, it's more the fact that he failed to get the players "up" for the really big games (Palace at home, yesterday, etc). I think he makes a great no.2 but not a great manager. One thing all the Watford players bang on about is the motivation that Aidie brought with him, KB doesn't seem to be able to do this. I think we would have gone up with the likes of Boothroyd or Billy Davies in charge. The tinkering with the forward line hasn't worked either. Forwards in particular need confidence (Marlon King for example). By chopping and changing the players haven't been able to have that confidence.
We need someone to take us to the next level - I don't think KB is that man.
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Post by Dr LuKas on May 22, 2006 13:34:13 GMT -1
I agree, Blackwell one more season, screw this up and it'll have to be time for a change.
Anyone know quite whats happend to Beckford? He hasn't even been on the bench in the last few games.
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Post by Lollipop on May 22, 2006 13:37:39 GMT -1
Hmm, some good points there. Briefly, I would say that the negatives outweigh the positives. Blackie brought some much needed stability and for that, he has my utmost respect and gratitude. He has done a great job in the circumstances. HOWEVER, can he take us any further? Does he have the tactical nous? I'm not sure. I hate to see disloyalty in football, but I really don't see what can be gained by keeping him for a further season. Not getting promoted isn't the issue for me, it's more the fact that he failed to get the players "up" for the really big games (Palace at home, yesterday, etc). . I kinda agree, but should the players need the manager to get them psyched up for the game? They should be able to do that themselves! KB let himself down yesterday, however much I may love him, 4-5-1 was just wrong!
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Post by JJ on May 22, 2006 13:45:44 GMT -1
Yes, you're right Jen the players SHOULD be able to motivate themselves. However, it never seems to work like that.
Plus, who knows, if the players feel that the tactics are wrong they aren't going to be as up for it as if they are 100% in agreement with the manager
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