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Post by Mrs H on Jan 5, 2009 14:04:54 GMT -1
How dare you. I'm of no religious persuasion. The nuns will come and get you with rulers if you continue with you're love of the Jews. ;D
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Jan 5, 2009 14:40:44 GMT -1
you're the devil.
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Post by C@V on Jan 5, 2009 14:58:04 GMT -1
She is a devil!
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Post by Mrs H on Jan 5, 2009 15:40:20 GMT -1
Well that's incorrect too. To believe I am a devil, I would have to believe in God and to believe in God I would have to believe in religion and I don't so what you just said went "blah blah blah" in my head. ;D
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Jan 5, 2009 15:43:11 GMT -1
Black Magic Woman ;D
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Post by Mrs H on Jan 5, 2009 15:44:40 GMT -1
Black Magic Woman ;D Does that mean I have to wear black and sneak in through windows to leave women chocolate? Oh wait no that the Milk Tray Man.... ;D
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Jan 5, 2009 15:47:15 GMT -1
what you do in your own time is no concern of mine
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Post by Mrs H on Jan 5, 2009 15:49:24 GMT -1
What religion do Albanians adhere to?
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Jan 5, 2009 15:55:18 GMT -1
chicken sacrifices via KFC
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Post by CHOPPER READ on Jan 5, 2009 17:02:30 GMT -1
I do agree with Cav,And Israel are always the ones in the wrong.
The western world put Israel on the map and now they are quick to denounce them fighting back.
However,their actions will only stiffen the resolve of the terroist nations and the terrorists living like parasites in other countries.
Fuck me,there were loads protesting in London and other cities around the world.
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Post by CHOPPER READ on Jan 5, 2009 17:03:22 GMT -1
How dare you. I'm of no religious persuasion. The nuns will come and get you with rulers if you continue with you're love of the Jews. ;D Dare i even try to imagine of what certain persuasions you are? ;D
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Post by PureOldGold on Jan 5, 2009 21:39:40 GMT -1
The Jewish people have had to put up with terrorists like Hamas for centuries! For the last 8 years Hamas have been firing rockets in to Israel and now the time has come to stop them. Hamas (supported by Iran) will never acknowledge Israel or the Jewish people and refuse to enter dialog. On that basis I support Israel and the Jewish people in their quest to remove Hamas and any other country/organisation who share their views, from the face of the Earth! The Jewish (supported by the US) are the terrorists in all this! When the IRA bombed this country repeatedly, we didn't go in and lauch air, sea and ground attacks on them did we? No we negiotated and eventually found peace. Israel repeatedly ignore the international community. This is the third attempt to disarm hamas of rockets. What makes them think they will be successful this time? They throw leaflets into gaza telling the civilians to evacuate! Where to exactly? All the borders have been blocked and they've even stopped humanitarian aid. Its a disgrace!
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Post by PureOldGold on Jan 5, 2009 21:42:21 GMT -1
If Hamas hide in residential areas then some innocent people will die. I regret that it happens but it is unavoidable unless Hamas stop their activity. If some innocent people have to die for peace in Israel then so be it! Mort if this was happening to any other country they would fight back as well. BULLSHIT
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Post by MagicalUnited on Jan 5, 2009 21:43:53 GMT -1
well said pog
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 5, 2009 22:34:16 GMT -1
When the IRA bombed this country repeatedly, we didn't go in and lauch air, sea and ground attacks on them did we? No we negiotated and eventually found peace. While not wishing to disagree with your sentiment in any way, I feel I should play Devil's Advocate here. There is a bit of a difference between the aims of the IRA and Hamas, and a fair difference in the means of their attacks, at least initially. IIRC, the 'original' IRA group planted the bombs, then gave half-hour warnings so that civilians could get out of the way. Theirs was a terror campaign only (until the later fuckwits came along), while Hamas have quite clearly stated their desire to obliterate Israel. Don't misunderstand; I do think Israel could have gone about this in a better fashion. Hamas have repeatedly entered and broken ceasefires, though, and don't care who they kill. Hamas may have killed fewer civilians than the Israel military, but I'm fairly sure that's an issue of competence rather than intent. Israel are within their rights to retaliate - as I said, though, this way isn't necessarily the best. On a side note; while I again do not explicitly condone Israel's methods, I recall the Palestinian people voting Hamas into power with a 57.5% majority in their last election, knowing full well that Hamas' sole selling point was the destruction of Israel. If I'm 100% honest, that does minutely diminish my sympathy for them - if it had been the other way round, I wouldn't have been surprised to see parties in the street...
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Post by PureOldGold on Jan 5, 2009 22:46:08 GMT -1
When the IRA bombed this country repeatedly, we didn't go in and lauch air, sea and ground attacks on them did we? No we negotiated and eventually found peace. While not wishing to disagree with your sentiment in any way, I feel I should play Devil's Advocate here. There is a bit of a difference between the aims of the IRA and Hamas, and a fair difference in the means of their attacks, at least initially. IIRC, the 'original' IRA group planted the bombs, then gave half-hour warnings so that civilians could get out of the way. Theirs was a terror campaign only (until the later fuckwits came along), while Hamas have quite clearly stated their desire to obliterate Israel. Don't misunderstand; I do think Israel could have gone about this in a better fashion. Hamas have repeatedly entered and broken ceasefires, though, and don't care who they kill. Hamas may have killed fewer civilians than the Israel military, but I'm fairly sure that's an issue of competence rather than intent. Israel are within their rights to retaliate - as I said, though, this way isn't necessarily the best. On a side note; while I again do not explicitly condone Israel's methods, I recall the Palestinian people voting Hamas into power with a 57.5% majority in their last election, knowing full well that Hamas' sole selling point was the destruction of Israel. If I'm 100% honest, that does minutely diminish my sympathy for them - if it had been the other way round, I wouldn't have been surprised to see parties in the street... Israel failed to comply with the original ceasefire as they didn't unblock any of the borders. I'm not backing hamas in anyway and don't agree with their methods, but Israeli's actions as a superpower are very questionable indeed. Israel don't really care who they kill either, this is evident with the current military action being aimed at schools and busy markets. Building a huge wall and blocking all the borders around a community isn't going to solve the problem is it? The question you might want to ask yourself, is why was Hamas elected? The actions of the Israeli's over the last decade might have something to do with it. Israel currently have stopped anything going into gaza. Hospitals are out of electricity and short of water. They repeatedly use dense rockets contain uranium which cause cancer incidently.
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Jan 5, 2009 23:01:29 GMT -1
*i've not quite read everything on this thread but* i think Israel actions are dumb because one day it will find it's self surround by enemies with neither the support or ability to fend said enemies off. SURELY THIS IS OBVIOUS!!! america can not support israel forever and israel can't take on so many when outnumbered forever and its "struggle" is hardly endearing to the rest of the world. Israel ceased other peoples land not the other way round.
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Post by C@V on Jan 6, 2009 12:48:23 GMT -1
The Jewish people have had to put up with terrorists like Hamas for centuries! For the last 8 years Hamas have been firing rockets in to Israel and now the time has come to stop them. Hamas (supported by Iran) will never acknowledge Israel or the Jewish people and refuse to enter dialog. On that basis I support Israel and the Jewish people in their quest to remove Hamas and any other country/organisation who share their views, from the face of the Earth! The Jewish (supported by the US) are the terrorists in all this! When the IRA bombed this country repeatedly, we didn't go in and lauch air, sea and ground attacks on them did we? No we negiotated and eventually found peace. Israel repeatedly ignore the international community. This is the third attempt to disarm hamas of rockets. What makes them think they will be successful this time? They throw leaflets into gaza telling the civilians to evacuate! Where to exactly? All the borders have been blocked and they've even stopped humanitarian aid. Its a disgrace! To even compare the situation in Gaza to Nothern Ireland shows your lack of knowledge on the subject. Hamas seeks to kill Jews full stop! They will never recognise Israel full stop. The IRA did not have this opinion of the British and did not actively seek to kill innocent people! I know there were a few exceptions but that is what they were.......exceptions. You may hate Jews POG but if you can not see that Hamas is just a racist hate filled puppet of Iran then you are severely misguided. Israel has held back for ages but enough is enough and now hamas must be stopped. If blood has to be spilt in the process then so be it IMO!
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Post by olcrazee on Jan 6, 2009 12:55:22 GMT -1
The Jewish (supported by the US) are the terrorists in all this! When the IRA bombed this country repeatedly, we didn't go in and lauch air, sea and ground attacks on them did we? No we negiotated and eventually found peace. Israel repeatedly ignore the international community. This is the third attempt to disarm hamas of rockets. What makes them think they will be successful this time? They throw leaflets into gaza telling the civilians to evacuate! Where to exactly? All the borders have been blocked and they've even stopped humanitarian aid. Its a disgrace! To even compare the situation in Gaza to Nothern Ireland shows your lack of knowledge on the subject. Hamas seeks to kill Jews full stop! They will never recognise Israel full stop. The IRA did not have this opinion of the British and did not actively seek to kill innocent people! I know there were a few exceptions but that is what they were.......exceptions. You may hate Jews POG but if you can not see that Hamas is just a racist hate filled puppet of Iran then you are severely misguided. Israel has held back for ages but enough is enough and now hamas must be stopped. If blood has to be spilt in the process then so be it IMO! Wasn't sure that I would ever agree with anything you had to say C@V . . . but you are right on the button with this mate. For centuries the Jews have been persecuted, unjustly in most cases, but following the holocaust they made the state of "Never again". As C@V rightly states, they have actually been quite tolerant in many respects for a long time concerning this and other baiting by the Arab nations. Now they are defending what they can rightly claim has traditionally been their seen to be their homeland. No, I am neither Jewish nor a particular fan of them either. They are a terribly insular race of people, and I understand why many can them unattractive as a nation; but neither should they have to tolerate terrorism on their doorstep. We can only hope that this doesn't bring in the other Arab nations intent on destroying Israel and case World War III; and that civilian casualties are kept to a minimum; but otherwise I for one support them. Well put C@V!!
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Post by addicted2venos on Jan 6, 2009 13:25:40 GMT -1
To even compare the situation in Gaza to Nothern Ireland shows your lack of knowledge on the subject. Hamas seeks to kill Jews full stop! They will never recognise Israel full stop. The IRA did not have this opinion of the British and did not actively seek to kill innocent people! I know there were a few exceptions but that is what they were.......exceptions. You may hate Jews POG but if you can not see that Hamas is just a racist hate filled puppet of Iran then you are severely misguided. Israel has held back for ages but enough is enough and now hamas must be stopped. If blood has to be spilt in the process then so be it IMO! It just go to show that there's two great lessons in history that no one ever learns. - Just because you stuck a flag in it doesn't make it yours.
- Interfering with borders on maps is generally a bad idea.
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