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Post by BW on Jan 18, 2009 17:20:54 GMT -1
Tis the norm in Birmingham and Wolverhampton, so I don't see what your problem is! No problems mate
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Post by HURLOCK on Jan 18, 2009 17:22:51 GMT -1
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Post by derbian on Jan 18, 2009 18:33:23 GMT -1
Ceasefire wont last, its just to give time to the Israel military to take a breather, gather 'intelligence', re-supply and wait for an excuse to start another offensive. If being attacked by missiles is not an excuse to start an offensive then what is. If someone threw bricks through your windows would you ignore it? Ofc not however if i responded by launching a bazooka at the brick thrower i wud be classed as a murderer. Israel's response is over the top and the amount of civilian causalities to me shows at best a careless attitude towards such people who have no wish to be involved. For me the Israelis' are as bad as Hamas as both either target civilians or dont give a damn how many get hurt.
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Post by BW on Jan 18, 2009 19:05:47 GMT -1
If being attacked by missiles is not an excuse to start an offensive then what is. If someone threw bricks through your windows would you ignore it? Ofc not however if i responded by launching a bazooka at the brick thrower i wud be classed as a murderer. Israel's response is over the top and the amount of civilian causalities to me shows at best a careless attitude towards such people who have no wish to be involved. For me the Israelis' are as bad as Hamas as both either target civilians or dont give a damn how many get hurt. The rockets launched at Israel are not bricks though are they. They are meant to kill and maim and they don't discriminate their targets because they are blindly launched to land anywhere to kill anyone who may or may not want to be involved. Hamas are the murderers - Israel have the right to defend themselves
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Post by PureOldGold on Jan 18, 2009 19:56:44 GMT -1
Ceasefire wont last, its just to give time to the Israel military to take a breather, gather 'intelligence', re-supply and wait for an excuse to start another offensive. If being attacked by missiles is not an excuse to start an offensive then what is. If someone threw bricks through your windows would you ignore it? ...................and what if someone illegally occupied Bournemouth and than build a huge wall around it. Stopped any aid from coming in, repeatedly sanctioned it and than started all out war and you had no where to run. Stop spouting crap!
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Post by derbian on Jan 18, 2009 20:05:44 GMT -1
Ofc not however if i responded by launching a bazooka at the brick thrower i wud be classed as a murderer. Israel's response is over the top and the amount of civilian causalities to me shows at best a careless attitude towards such people who have no wish to be involved. For me the Israelis' are as bad as Hamas as both either target civilians or dont give a damn how many get hurt. The rockets launched at Israel are not bricks though are they. They are meant to kill and maim and they don't discriminate their targets because they are blindly launched to land anywhere to kill anyone who may or may not want to be involved. Hamas are the murderers - Israel have the right to defend themselves Not being funny but ur the one who asked if someone threw a brick thru my window wud i ignore it and i answered accordingly i also know that Hamas do not launch bricks i am not stupid. You call Hamas murderers and indeed yeah they r but as Israel have also killed innocent civilians too they r just as bad and while u can keep saying they a right to defend themselves Hamas make the same argument, so again i c little difference between them.
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Post by BW on Jan 18, 2009 20:20:38 GMT -1
The rockets launched at Israel are not bricks though are they. They are meant to kill and maim and they don't discriminate their targets because they are blindly launched to land anywhere to kill anyone who may or may not want to be involved. Hamas are the murderers - Israel have the right to defend themselves Not being funny but ur the one who asked if someone threw a brick thru my window wud i ignore it and i answered accordingly i also know that Hamas do not launch bricks i am not stupid. You call Hamas murderers and indeed yeah they r but as Israel have also killed innocent civilians too they r just as bad and while u can keep saying they a right to defend themselves Hamas make the same argument, so again i c little difference between them. Unfortunately innocent people are killed in wars and Hamas say that they will not rest until the country of Israel does not exist therefore if they persist in attacking Israel then they should be responsible for the consequences as they are the cowards who hide within the Gaza population.
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Post by derbian on Jan 18, 2009 20:27:37 GMT -1
Not being funny but ur the one who asked if someone threw a brick thru my window wud i ignore it and i answered accordingly i also know that Hamas do not launch bricks i am not stupid. You call Hamas murderers and indeed yeah they r but as Israel have also killed innocent civilians too they r just as bad and while u can keep saying they a right to defend themselves Hamas make the same argument, so again i c little difference between them. Unfortunately innocent people are killed in wars and Hamas say that they will not rest until the country of Israel does not exist therefore if they persist in attacking Israel then they should be responsible for the consequences as they are the cowards who hide within the Gaza population. Israel also has the responsibility when they go after Hamas to minimize civilian causalities especially wen u consider the amount of firepower they use and imo they simply do not care as long they get to Hamas. And its not as tho Israel is incapable of restraint now is it? I've no sympathy for Hamas as im concerned they shud be wiped off the face of the earth, it the innocents i have every sympathy for, both Israeli AND Palestinian.
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Post by PureOldGold on Jan 18, 2009 20:27:39 GMT -1
Not being funny but ur the one who asked if someone threw a brick thru my window wud i ignore it and i answered accordingly i also know that Hamas do not launch bricks i am not stupid. You call Hamas murderers and indeed yeah they r but as Israel have also killed innocent civilians too they r just as bad and while u can keep saying they a right to defend themselves Hamas make the same argument, so again i c little difference between them. Unfortunately innocent people are killed in wars and Hamas say that they will not rest until the country of Israel does not exist therefore if they persist in attacking Israel then they should be responsible for the consequences as they are the cowards who hide within the Gaza population. You sound like an Israely Foreign Minister. You're just repeating stuff you've heard of Sky News. You have very little knowledge of the history between the two states. The UN and the majority of the world has condemned these attacks, so how you can justify them is beyond me.
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Post by BW on Jan 18, 2009 20:28:50 GMT -1
If being attacked by missiles is not an excuse to start an offensive then what is. If someone threw bricks through your windows would you ignore it? ...................and what if someone illegally occupied Bournemouth and than build a huge wall around it. Stopped any aid from coming in, repeatedly sanctioned it and than started all out war and you had no where to run. Stop spouting crap! That would never happen because Bournemouth doesn't have suicide bombers and rocket launchers so I'm not the one spouting the crap.
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Post by PureOldGold on Jan 18, 2009 20:33:07 GMT -1
...................and what if someone illegally occupied Bournemouth and than build a huge wall around it. Stopped any aid from coming in, repeatedly sanctioned it and than started all out war and you had no where to run. Stop spouting crap! That would never happen because Bournemouth doesn't have suicide bombers and rocket launchers so I'm not the one spouting the crap. I was just using your example. I see you've conveniently not replied to any of my points. When your IQ level is superior to your shoe size. I'll carry on this convo.
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Post by BW on Jan 18, 2009 20:41:12 GMT -1
Unfortunately innocent people are killed in wars and Hamas say that they will not rest until the country of Israel does not exist therefore if they persist in attacking Israel then they should be responsible for the consequences as they are the cowards who hide within the Gaza population. You sound like an Israely Foreign Minister. You're just repeating stuff you've heard of Sky News. You have very little knowledge of the history between the two states. The UN and the majority of the world has condemned these attacks, so how you can justify them is beyond me. On the contrary - I make my own mind up and the difference is that I'm not Anti Semitic like you seem to be.
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Post by BW on Jan 18, 2009 20:46:30 GMT -1
That would never happen because Bournemouth doesn't have suicide bombers and rocket launchers so I'm not the one spouting the crap. I was just using your example. I see you've conveniently not replied to any of my points. When your IQ level is superior to your shoe size. I'll carry on this convo. OK I'll give you the benefit of the doubt with the personel insults but can you clarify what points you would like me to respond to.
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Post by C@V on Jan 19, 2009 9:13:46 GMT -1
Israelis dead 13, Palestinians dead... of a couple of hundred. hmmmmmm proportional! i'd like to point out many Germans believed they were defending Germany when the Nazis instituted the persecution of the jews.... .... any relation to the Israelis justifying killing Palestinian civilians in defend of Israel? - i mean Palestinian children and woman are very dangerous..... wtf has proportion got to do with it? Good point. Can you only kill the exact amount of deaths on your own side?
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Post by C@V on Jan 19, 2009 9:14:56 GMT -1
Israelis dead 13, Palestinians dead... of a couple of hundred. hmmmmmm proportional! i'd like to point out many Germans believed they were defending Germany when the Nazis instituted the persecution of the jews.... .... any relation to the Israelis justifying killing Palestinian civilians in defend of Israel? - i mean Palestinian children and woman are very dangerous..... An absolutely stupid comparison that shows how thick you are Mort.
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Jan 19, 2009 9:16:24 GMT -1
wtf has proportion got to do with it? Good point. Can you only kill the exact amount of deaths on your own side? its not a good point at all.
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Jan 19, 2009 9:17:51 GMT -1
Israelis dead 13, Palestinians dead... of a couple of hundred. hmmmmmm proportional! i'd like to point out many Germans believed they were defending Germany when the Nazis instituted the persecution of the jews.... .... any relation to the Israelis justifying killing Palestinian civilians in defend of Israel? - i mean Palestinian children and woman are very dangerous..... An absolutely stupid comparison that shows how thick you are Mort. its a very adpt comparsion, the nazis justified everything in terms of the defence of Germany, and now the Israelis are in defence of Israel.
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Post by addicted2venos on Jan 19, 2009 9:31:32 GMT -1
Interestingly the US department of defense classes terrorism as;
'The calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.'
........ but it's never terrorism when the US or one of it buddies instigates violence is it??
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Jan 19, 2009 9:32:59 GMT -1
;D
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Post by PureOldGold on Jan 19, 2009 9:53:29 GMT -1
Interestingly the US department of defense classes terrorism as; 'The calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.'........ but it's never terrorism when the US or one of it buddies instigates violence is it?? Spot on! One rule for some........................
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