|
Post by C@V on Jul 9, 2008 14:31:55 GMT -1
What a load of bollocks, i'm a muslim and i don't find that offensive and neither do the majority of us, can the media just stop posting this kind of shit on the front page. Is page 7 ok?
|
|
|
Post by Imp on Jul 9, 2008 19:58:09 GMT -1
What a load of bollocks, i'm a muslim and i don't find that offensive and neither do the majority of us, can the media just stop posting this kind of shit on the front page. People like yourself POG (& congratulations on the degree esp.a proper degree) should speak up & denounce this nonsense. It usually is the fault of PC lefty liberals who think they are doing everyone a favour by these sort of actions but are actually creating more division. But I will say it with the demographic changes in this country & the forecasted trends this countrys cultural identity is being diluted further & further & other cultural norms are taking over. Yesterday on the regional news we had schoolchildren who had been taght Chinese culture for a year. Now Chinese culture is very old & you have the great architecture from the Han through to the Tang, the mathamatical acheivements & the classical music & Chinese opera. But surely it might be better to teach every child the foundations of English culture in the arts,sciences &humanities & teach them English history as a priority to instill that identity ? But yet again the PC brigade would be wringing their hands .Oh we mustn't do that & marginalise other cultures. I wonder how many schools in China will be undertaking a thorough review of English culture from Milton to Turnage when the 2012 Olympics (what a waste of resources) take place ? But are we bothered about what Chinese kids are learning about this country? Nothing? Great, I don't really worry too much about that. I'd rather have an awareness of the big wide world around me than be ignorant (not that I'm accusing anyone on here of ignorance). We're part of a more mixed culture, can't be ignored. And for the record, ALL of the History I've taught this year has been British. English, if we're being picky. Don't let the Daily Mail let you believe our culture's being undermined
|
|
|
Post by ovechkin8 on Jul 9, 2008 21:29:17 GMT -1
Of course its being undermined. Most people I speak to have not got a clue about it or any idea of their history.Ask them even a simple question about it they stand amazed. This mixed culture nonsense is the reason why its being undermined. Instead of teaching classical music preference is given to crap workshops for instance. Get down with the brain dead. Many foreign observers comment on how unaware the English are of their history & culture whilst in the rest of Europe take Italy or France for example they remain proud of their cultural traditions. They dont bow meekly & accept this multicultural garbage. A whole year focused on learning about China rather than England . Come to Watford where I've resided for nigh on three decades. The very face of its been completely changed especially so over the last five years. In nigh a hundred years there wont be a England left as this wondrous mixed culture takes over or for that read a non existent English culture.
|
|
|
Post by Imp on Jul 11, 2008 20:29:43 GMT -1
Of course its being undermined. Most people I speak to have not got a clue about it or any idea of their history.Ask them even a simple question about it they stand amazed. This mixed culture nonsense is the reason why its being undermined. Instead of teaching classical music preference is given to crap workshops for instance. Get down with the brain dead. Many foreign observers comment on how unaware the English are of their history & culture whilst in the rest of Europe take Italy or France for example they remain proud of their cultural traditions. They dont bow meekly & accept this multicultural garbage. A whole year focused on learning about China rather than England . Come to Watford where I've resided for nigh on three decades. The very face of its been completely changed especially so over the last five years. In nigh a hundred years there wont be a England left as this wondrous mixed culture takes over or for that read a non existent English culture. You clearly refuse to listen to people who are in schools doing the job (although I'm the first to admit it doesn't make me an expert) so trying to reason with you is obviously a waste of time. Carry on putting your head in the sand, ignore the changes happening in society and refuse to open your mind to other cultures and in the meantime, the rest of us will try and make the future generations well-rounded and able to become well-rounded members of what is (and I'm no fan of the multi-cultural brigade, but it's here, short of some type of Holocaust what are we going to do?) becoming a more mixed country. You want to talk about change? Watford's no different to many other parts of the country. Try Lincolnshire and its Eastern European influx... I'll just say it again...don't believe everything the Daily Mail tells you
|
|
|
Post by Pete the Wolf on Jul 11, 2008 21:18:36 GMT -1
Okay, with regards to history, bear in mind that I dropped it as soon as I could at the end of Year 9, so I've not studied it for 8 years and Imp/Pastie, correct me by all means if I talk a load of rubbish here. I did the Egyptians in the second half of Year 5, Greeks the first half of year 6 and the Romans in the first part of Year 7. Other than that, I only remember being taught English history, from the Middle Ages through to World War II.
My sister did A Levels in History and Classical Civilisations. I've no idea what she studied exactly, but the fact that Classics is a separate subject leads me to believe that History focuses on British History and Classics elsewhere.
Yes, it's a concern if we lose all sense of Britishness completely, but at the same time, I'm willing to welcome peopl and foreigners who I've met and worked with have been great. Ones who I've worked with are willing enough to work, which is a lot more that can be said for some people who are British born and bred, but prefer to hang around bus stops drinking after their chip shop meal in the evening.
Redditch (the town where I live just out of) apparently had the highest percentage of Polish residents a couple of years ago. That's just after losing its status as having the highest population rate of teenage/underage (forget which) in the whole of EUROPE. I know which one I'd consider to have more shame if the pregancy rate is the latter and it ain't the Polish influx.
On to Aber. I'm in a flat of 7 people at the moment. There's a Chinese couple who are friendly enough and a Polish girl who's great to talk to. A fair amount of the foreign students do bond together, but there's also a drive being planned for this September to make them feel much more welcome and encopurage them to bond with 'local' (by which I mean British) students more.
I did Music GCSE and we had to listen to Classical Music as a part of the listening test along with World Folk Music. In fact, we ran through just about every music EXCEPT popular culture. I'm fairly sure that applied in Year 9 as well, although I can't remember anything before then.
Multi-culturalism is here to stay and so long as immigrants are happy enough to live by the laws of this land, then I'm happy enough for them to retain their own culture.
I could have just spouted off a load of garbage and feel free to correct any of my mistakes, but that's my humble opinion for what it's worth.
|
|
|
Post by PASTIE on Jul 13, 2008 22:20:28 GMT -1
Somewhere, of course, there has to be balance. I would stop a long way short of extolling the virtues of other European education systems which can be notoriously dry, prescriptive and grossly lacking in critical awareness of many issues, including history. I think we have an increasingly fine record in schools in this country of encouraging students to think. We encourage them to question, evaluate and judge for themselves - including self reflection upon the value of what they learn and how they learn it. As a consequence, I would hope that an increasing proportion of school leavers would both know how to access information and scrutinise it with ever greater effect. In the age of the Daily Mail, these skills (ideally taught in all subjects, not just history) are far more important than the era or the location of the topics covered.
History cannot be taught without at least half an eye to its relevance for the present. Therefore to teach history without some sense of the multicultural present would be to miss an opportunity. Equally, to ignore our own history would be a loss for all, including those who come and join us. What must not happen, however, is that we return to the history that projected us as the great conquerers of the world who turned the map pink. Equally, the likes of me who view so much of our Impirical history as something of an embarrassing disgrace should also not be allowed to get hold of the history curriculum!
That which is delivered should be broad and balanced, relevant and imbued with a call for children to think and learn for themselves. Whatever we teach them, it is only when we insist on a formula for how children must think that we really begin to let them and society down.
|
|
|
Post by URRZZZ!!! on Jul 14, 2008 21:55:42 GMT -1
I actually find that hard to believe. The line "They should have understood" is actually laughable. I was always taught that Muslims thought pigs were unclean and filthy and had no idea that they thought that about dogs, and I imagine lots of people are the same.
|
|
|
Post by URRZZZ!!! on Jul 14, 2008 22:06:09 GMT -1
Also, on what POG said, it's just a sad fact that in the current climate the media never want to pick up on any positives from religions. You'll never hear of the Christians who believe that gays should be accepted into the church, or the Muslim who devoutly follows the Qur'an teachings on forgiveness and acceptance and happily blends into our society. This just leads to the masses reading this sort of tripe and thinking that all religious people are uptight, narrow minded and are generally a load of whingers who are offended by anything.
I read what Pasty wrote, and people do need to learn to think for themselves when stuff like this is about. The non-emergency police line received complaints - well how many? As many as 5 do you reckon?
Caused uproar - How do they know this? A couple may have been furious, and it probably did cause uproar in their lives. However the entire local Muslim community? Get serious please.
Finally, having grown up in a vicarage, I've seen my Dad's frustration says one thing that nobody else agrees with. In our parish there were hundreds of people who attended Church and were Christians, and there was 1 member who had "eccentric" views and sometimes had a tendency to write into newspapers with them. I'm guessing the man who gave this interview was in a similar position. Anyone and everyone who is friends with a Muslim will know this is crap and I'm prepared to bet the Daily Mail wrote this rubbish.
|
|
|
Post by URRZZZ!!! on Jul 14, 2008 22:17:30 GMT -1
Can I also throw a spanner in the works with the teaching of our culture and history too. I studied History up until A-Level, which is over 10 years. Whilst I learnt about the Romans, the Nazis, the American 20th Century, the USSR and lots of foreign history, I can't think of a year that's passed without me being taught some English history. Off the top of my head: Years 12-13: English politics throughout the 20th Century. Year 11: Reforms of David Lloyd George and the Liberals, plus the home front in the War Year 10: The female movement for suffrage. Also taught about citizenship in years 9 to 11. Year 9: ? But in another class for year 9 we were taught about the history of our democratic system and the first Prime Minister. Year 8: ? Year 7: Battle of Hasting, the rule of William the Norman and all his heirs such as William II and Henry I or something like that. Year 6: Victorian times Year 5: Tudors I've properly forgotten before then. However the point I'm making is I was taught plenty about my culture and history, and I'm only 20 so it wasn't long ago. My education may have been different, but this was over at 3 different state run schools altogether. We're taught plenty about our country.
|
|
|
Post by PureOldGold on Jul 15, 2008 14:34:04 GMT -1
What a load of bollocks, i'm a muslim and i don't find that offensive and neither do the majority of us, can the media just stop posting this kind of shit on the front page. Is page 7 ok? After the TV listings, the section no one looks at.
|
|
|
Post by PASTIE on Jul 15, 2008 18:24:08 GMT -1
Also, on what POG said, it's just a sad fact that in the current climate the media never want to pick up on any positives from religions. You'll never hear of the Christians who believe that gays should be accepted into the church, or the Muslim who devoutly follows the Qur'an teachings on forgiveness and acceptance and happily blends into our society. This just leads to the masses reading this sort of tripe and thinking that all religious people are uptight, narrow minded and are generally a load of whingers who are offended by anything. I read what Pasty wrote, and people do need to learn to think for themselves when stuff like this is about. The non-emergency police line received complaints - well how many? As many as 5 do you reckon? Caused uproar - How do they know this? A couple may have been furious, and it probably did cause uproar in their lives. However the entire local Muslim community? Get serious please. Finally, having grown up in a vicarage, I've seen my Dad's frustration says one thing that nobody else agrees with. In our parish there were hundreds of people who attended Church and were Christians, and there was 1 member who had "eccentric" views and sometimes had a tendency to write into newspapers with them. I'm guessing the man who gave this interview was in a similar position. Anyone and everyone who is friends with a Muslim will know this is crap and I'm prepared to bet the Daily Mail wrote this rubbish. Absolutely - well said in its entiretly apart from the crucial spelling of my name Well said nonetheless
|
|