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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Mar 8, 2008 9:17:15 GMT -1
I dont agree with hunting of foxes, but i dont mind them being killed to protect farm animals etc. I dont think that killing them is the issue here, its the nature in which they are killed i think.And does a fox really have more chance against a load of inbred blokes on horses and a pack of blood thirtsty dogs rather than a half pissed farmer with an air rifle?? ;D exactly!!!! as i said before foxes are wild animals just like bears or any other creature, they have to kill to survive. It is us impacting on their environment not the other way round. I agree they have to be killed to protect farmstock, and surely building henhouses from brick and locking the doors would help instead of having those wooden shacks. The majority (not all) of fox hunters are inbred hoo ray henrys with nothing better to do at the weekend.
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Post by PASTIE on Mar 9, 2008 21:46:56 GMT -1
I see. Says it all really. Most of the people there are British for your information and while I am not a royalist why can't we wave the flag & celebrate Britain & the acheivements of the Royal Navy for instance. Oh I forgot those on the left always like to denigrate any semblance of patriotism or what appears to be patriotism for fear of causing offence whilst hiding a deep loathing of the country one is residing in. Don't take any pride in what is a month and a half of superb music making but tag it bloody. Typically insular in attitude. Says it all about the education system at large & those that staff it. PASTIE, I shan't be as erudite or as reasoned as you, I shall just speak my mind ( as officially endorsed by Her Majesty's Government and the foul and evil education system that permitted me to teach): Ovechkin, that really is a pile of crap and does nothing else but show you know bog-all about the education system. And just for the record, I think (and I am happy to be corrected, for once in my life) that Margaret Hodge was partly referring to the fact that the Proms is a pretty 'elitist' thing, seemingly reserved for the middle classes. I watched a documentary about the 'Prommers' a few years ago, the ones who queue up days in advance for their tickets for the Last Night, and never a bigger bunch of Daily Mail-reading, self-opinionated, self-satisfied twats could you wish to meet. They were intentionally vile to those people who were new to the queuing system each year and looked down on those who they felt didn't 'look right'. So I think maybe Margaret Hodge has a point...maybe she didn't put it across very well... I was very well behaved considering the ire which I read the original with. Glad you found it too Sarah!
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Post by Pete the Wolf on Mar 9, 2008 21:54:25 GMT -1
PASTIE, I shan't be as erudite or as reasoned as you, I shall just speak my mind ( as officially endorsed by Her Majesty's Government and the foul and evil education system that permitted me to teach): Ovechkin, that really is a pile of crap and does nothing else but show you know bog-all about the education system. And just for the record, I think (and I am happy to be corrected, for once in my life) that Margaret Hodge was partly referring to the fact that the Proms is a pretty 'elitist' thing, seemingly reserved for the middle classes. I watched a documentary about the 'Prommers' a few years ago, the ones who queue up days in advance for their tickets for the Last Night, and never a bigger bunch of Daily Mail-reading, self-opinionated, self-satisfied twats could you wish to meet. They were intentionally vile to those people who were new to the queuing system each year and looked down on those who they felt didn't 'look right'. So I think maybe Margaret Hodge has a point...maybe she didn't put it across very well... I was very well behaved considering the ire which I read the original with. Glad you found it too Sarah! I have to be honest, I've never had a problem with teachers at the schools I went to. Granted, there were a couple who didn't seem to know what they were talking about at times, but I imagine that's the same at most schools witha minority of teachers. But the high school I went to stands (or at least stood) out head and shoulders above the rest of the Redditch schools in terms of exam results. Year I did my GCSEs (2002), the school celerated a record high at the time of 71.4% (if I remember correctly) of pupils leaving with 5 A*-C and 2 years back, my brother's year got 74-odd % of 5A*-C. Teaching has to come into that somewhere and it sure ain't bad for results like that to occur.
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Post by PASTIE on Mar 9, 2008 22:02:22 GMT -1
I have no gripe with anybody celebrating their good teachers or bemoaning their bad, but I have a deep, deep resentment towards the post that suggested that the education system is in a state because it is run by left leaning Socialists like myself. Firstly, I resent the suggestion that I might be on a mission to propagandise my own opinions; and secondly I sincerely wish that it was run by left leaning Socialists like myself then perhaps we wouldn't have this time wasting preoccupation with league tables, target setting and performance related pay...
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Post by Neko Bazu on Mar 9, 2008 22:17:38 GMT -1
I sincerely wish that it was run by left leaning Socialists like myself then perhaps we wouldn't have this time wasting preoccupation with league tables, target setting and performance related pay... One of the worst things Labour introduced to the country, IMO Nice idea on paper, but I can't think of a single field where it's worked in practice - not in education, not in the NHS... By my experience, teachers as a whole try their best but often have their hands tied, if I were to sum it up in a sentence. I've only personally encountered one bad teacher, and have heard horror stories from my friends about two others - but given that between us, from Year 1 to Year 11, we probably attended 40+ schools, that's hardly a poor ratio! (I've experienced much worse in my present line of employment ) Teachers are the last people I'd 'blame' for the education system's shortcomings at present. Parents don't help (teach the kids to read from a young age? Accept that their foul-mouthed "little angel" misbehaved, maybe?), the PC brigade don't help (if a pupil decides they want to cause trouble, how much are teachers allowed to do nowadays?) and the pressure to deliver only top exam results certainly doesn't help.
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Post by PASTIE on Mar 9, 2008 22:24:27 GMT -1
Thanks - and I agree that New Labour did us no favours in terms of much of their legislation even if most of us are teaching in better buildings now... Are my hands tied? I don't know. I hear that a lot, usually followed by some statement that we should be allowed to hit people with sticks and slippers. Whilst I cannot deny the urge to thump the odd little tw@t exists, it would purely be to make me feel better and not help them at all! The pressure on teachers is on time. Paperwork, numbers of classes, reports (down to my last three of the night before I lost concentration again... ), irritating paperwork that nobody reads and systems of assessment and accountability that nobody fully understands and which the system encourages people to cheat. There are lots of perks - I have a laugh in the classroom itself - and lots of holiday time. The problem is that the crap drains people's enthusiasm and people have half an eye on leaving, or they leave, or they stay and become bitter and disillusioned. I am always filled with awe for those who have taught for 25+ years and still enjoy it. I'm not sure that I could make it that far. Either way, to return to my previous bone of contention, that earlier post of accusatory, personal nonsense that triggered my original response did precious little to help... Anyway, back to it
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Post by Imp on Mar 10, 2008 20:20:12 GMT -1
PASTIE, I shan't be as erudite or as reasoned as you, I shall just speak my mind ( as officially endorsed by Her Majesty's Government and the foul and evil education system that permitted me to teach): Ovechkin, that really is a pile of crap and does nothing else but show you know bog-all about the education system. And just for the record, I think (and I am happy to be corrected, for once in my life) that Margaret Hodge was partly referring to the fact that the Proms is a pretty 'elitist' thing, seemingly reserved for the middle classes. I watched a documentary about the 'Prommers' a few years ago, the ones who queue up days in advance for their tickets for the Last Night, and never a bigger bunch of Daily Mail-reading, self-opinionated, self-satisfied twats could you wish to meet. They were intentionally vile to those people who were new to the queuing system each year and looked down on those who they felt didn't 'look right'. So I think maybe Margaret Hodge has a point...maybe she didn't put it across very well... I was very well behaved considering the ire which I read the original with. Glad you found it too Sarah! I think you should be knighted, given your calmness! I admit I feel at times I need to tow 'the party line' in the classroom (especially with teaching in a C of E school) but as I discussed with Dan on Friday night, it's not about promoting multi-culturalism but about teaching tolerance. My own personal beliefs don't matter, I need to try and instill decent values in small kids. What would that little turd prefer? That we teach children that all Muslims should be sent back to the sub-continent to practise their terrorist ways there, that Enoch Powell had a point and that the BNP ought to be the party in power? He clearly knows nothing about what goes on in a classroom and how much teachers fight to give some semblance of a world-class education in schools that are massively underfunded, massively pressured and massively taken for granted.
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Post by PASTIE on Mar 10, 2008 20:54:34 GMT -1
I was very well behaved considering the ire which I read the original with. Glad you found it too Sarah! I think you should be knighted, given your calmness! I admit I feel at times I need to tow 'the party line' in the classroom (especially with teaching in a C of E school) but as I discussed with Dan on Friday night, it's not about promoting multi-culturalism but about teaching tolerance. My own personal beliefs don't matter, I need to try and instill decent values in small kids. What would that little turd prefer? That we teach children that all Muslims should be sent back to the sub-continent to practise their terrorist ways there, that Enoch Powell had a point and that the BNP ought to be the party in power? He clearly knows nothing about what goes on in a classroom and how much teachers fight to give some semblance of a world-class education in schools that are massively underfunded, massively pressured and massively taken for granted. In fact, I would argue that variety, tolerance, the celebration of inclusiveness and the ability to live in a secular society is at the root of the positive side of Britishness. Any who resort to fundamentalism just do not fit in here, whether it is Islamic, Christian, Republican or whatever. The freedom to have your own opinions and to respect others' is an essential part of our society and it is the duty of the Education system and those who work in it to maintain that. We can only do our best, but if some people don't see it that way I can only assume that they went to the wrong school...
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Mar 10, 2008 20:55:22 GMT -1
I was taught how to bake a nice cake. Want some? ;D
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Mar 10, 2008 20:56:14 GMT -1
I was taught how to bake a nice cake. Want some? ;D you tart ;D
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Post by PASTIE on Mar 10, 2008 20:56:38 GMT -1
Bake well, Tart?
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Post by Neko Bazu on Mar 10, 2008 21:45:11 GMT -1
I was taught how to bake a nice cake. Want some? ;D THE CAKE IS A LIE!!! ;D
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Post by T C on Mar 10, 2008 22:20:50 GMT -1
I was taught how to bake a nice cake. Want some? ;D THE CAKE IS A LIE!!! ;D ;D
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Post by PASTIE on Mar 10, 2008 23:32:41 GMT -1
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Post by PASTIE on Mar 10, 2008 23:33:12 GMT -1
Gres is trying to corrupt us all.
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Post by PASTIE on Mar 10, 2008 23:37:23 GMT -1
Just watched that whole clip again. Must have seen it a hundred times and cracks me up without fail.
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Mar 11, 2008 8:07:57 GMT -1
Just watched that whole clip again. Must have seen it a hundred times and cracks me up without fail. what you up to Gres?
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Mar 11, 2008 20:49:14 GMT -1
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Mar 16, 2008 12:24:55 GMT -1
music.guardian.co.uk/classical/story/0,,2261897,00.html What a surprise. Labour show their true attitude to England & Britain in general as evidenced by the IPPR that loony left thinktank. Its quite okay for English kids to have rap crap music lessons but not be taught about the grat legacy of western art music (one of the most complex musical forms ever constructed). This sounds just like Communist Russia dictating to cultural bodies what they can & cannot promote or should promote to conform to a socially engineered ideal. In actual fact the LSO & LPO do run workshops with inner city schools offer free tickets. There are quite a few people from the ethnic communities who do appreciate classical music. There are many classical 'artists' who are Afro-Caribbean. Its just typical of scum like this Hodge to denigrate western culture & sacrifice it on the altar of multi culturalism. It obviously disturbs these mini Hitlers to see such a vestige & bastion of Britishness still going strong. Its the scums own policy of advocating multi culturalism ie denigrating English history & English culture in the arts,sciences & humanities & not enforcing spoken English (instead of which pamphlets are published in more than a dozen languages) which are divisive. May I remind the ignoramus this is England & people who come here should learn about it indeed it would help if English kids knew about it as most I've come across can barely read or write it & have no awareness of their history let alone anything else. But of course the social engineers want to deny these kids a sense of their own identity to make them more amenable to this multi cultural ideal. I'm aware of other cultures ie Japan kabuki & noh theatre Japanese classical music & art ie the worthwhile parts but I'm fully aware of English heritage first & foremost. Citizenship should not be about just answering a few questions on a scrap of paper but by showing an active engagement with the indigenous culture. Just take a look at Watford. The carnival never has anything English connected to it as it did in the early 80s. Last year we had dancers from Pakistan , bangra dancers from the Pnjab in India & a reggae singer from Jamaica & drummers from Africa. Not a sign of anything English or to do with Watford. And when local museums or groups linked to an interest in English culture ask for help its refused but ask for a grant for a multi cultural project its granted without hesitation. I'm working class & a quarter Indian to boot & I'm sick of these do gooders ruining Britain. Here are some ripostes to the idiotic social engineer in this article. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/04/nprom204.xml are you named after an ice hockey player?
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